W/E Beyer Review

jcs11204 · #1 06-23-2008, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK

I agree, how does that explain Nistles Crunch? Did he run one of his worst races ever while being well clear of the rest of the field in a 600k stake??

i totally agree, the figures are a mess.... i think the winner freaked and they are afraid to make the figure to high, like a 105-110, that would put the rest of the field in a better range

hockey2315 · #2 06-23-2008, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204

i totally agree, the figures are a mess.... i think the winner freaked and they are afraid to make the figure to high, like a 105-110, that would put the rest of the field in a better range

jcs11204 · #3 06-23-2008, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

if they made it that high, where would he go from there ?>

hockey2315 · #4 06-23-2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204

if they made it that high, where would he go from there ?>

I think you need to try to understand how the figs are made. . .

Bobby Fischer · #5 06-23-2008, 05:00 PM

If ever there was a case to split the variant.

I don't think Sailor's Cap is some superhorse anyway... He was one of the best if not the best in the TurfCup, and then it rained, and he is clearly the best of that field in the non-firm-turf... He ran pretty well, and maybe some of them were hurt by the surface.

All they're doing is picking a number that feels good anyway. Working backwards is what they're doing.

They may as well of given out a 98.

I thought it was a 98. 98 Feels better than a 93.

ateamstupid · #6 06-23-2008, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

I think you need to try to understand how the figs are made. . .

Figures for this kind of race are near impossible to 'make', so in this case, I think he's right in that they were apprehensive about putting the number too high. His reason, I don't agree with though. I think that the Beyer guys were more along Andy's lines of thinking, deciding that the other horses ran like crap moreso than Sailor's Cap ran huge.

hockey2315 · #7 06-23-2008, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Figures for this kind of race are near impossible to 'make', so in this case, I think he's right in that they were apprehensive about putting the number too high.

They didn't come up with a 110 and say "uh oh! that's too high! let's drop it 17 points. . . "

ateamstupid · #8 06-23-2008, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

They didn't come up with a 110 and say "uh oh! that's too high! let's drop it 17 points. . . "

As if dropping Beyers is unheard of. They do it all the time.. Not 17 points, but Beyers seem to have been getting raised and dropped because they don't 'look right' a lot recently, IMO.

jcs11204 · #9 06-23-2008, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

They didn't come up with a 110 and say "uh oh! that's too high! let's drop it 17 points. . . "

i did not say that, maybe 110 is to high, but the horse freaked, and 93 is hard to justify

#10 06-23-2008, 08:54 PM

Whats wrong with making random decisions about figures on a certain race that are supposedly meaningless?

jcs11204 · #11 06-23-2008, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Whats wrong with making random decisions about figures on a certain race that are supposedly meaningless?

why is it meaningless ? because it was wet ?

Danzig · #12 06-23-2008, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204

i totally agree, the figures are a mess.... i think the winner freaked and they are afraid to make the figure to high, like a 105-110, that would put the rest of the field in a better range

he didn't freak, he handled a very soft course that the others didn't. there's a difference between a horse putting a field away, and a horse winning because he was the only one who was comfortable. he shouldn't get a higher figure just because he was the only one to run well enough to win.

hockey2315 · #13 06-23-2008, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

he didn't freak, he handled a very soft course that the others didn't. there's a difference between a horse putting a field away, and a horse winning because he was the only one who was comfortable. he shouldn't get a higher figure just because he was the only one to run well enough to win.

I'm not so sure about that. . .

Danzig · #14 06-23-2008, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

I'm not so sure about that. . .

i would call freaking something out of the ordinary. i thought everyone recognized that soft turf would help sailors cap immensely? he benefitted from his course. now, if he wins like gangbusters over a course not quite to his liking, that would be freakish. a fish in water is not a freak, a fish out of water but winning is.

Danzig · #15 06-23-2008, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

I'm not so sure about that. . .

i would call freaking something out of the ordinary. i thought everyone recognized that soft turf would help sailors cap immensely? he benefitted from his course. now, if he wins like gangbusters over a course not quite to his liking, that would be freakish. a fish in water is not a freak, a fish out of water but winning is.

hockey2315 · #16 06-23-2008, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i would call freaking something out of the ordinary. i thought everyone recognized that soft turf would help sailors cap immensely? he benefitted from his course. now, if he wins like gangbusters over a course not quite to his liking, that would be freakish. a fish in water is not a freak, a fish out of water but winning is.

I don't get this. . .

Danzig · #17 06-23-2008, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

I don't get this. . .

what do you mean? sailors cap likes soft turf. he got soft turf, and ran his race. how is that 'freaking'? now, had he lost, and say....any other horse won by open daylight, that would have been freakish!

Kasept · #18 06-24-2008, 09:08 AM

SINGSPIEL S.(G3)

Jun 22, Woodbine, 1 1/2 Miles, Turf, 3-Year-Olds and Up
Purse:$150,000

1 - MISSION APPROVED 4.25-1 BEYER: 97
Previous three Beyers: 78-95-88
T: Gary C. Contessa (658-100 .15) J: Ramon Dominguez (1-1 .100)

2 - Rahy's Attorney 3.40-1 BEYER: 94
Previous three Beyers: 101-69-96
T: Ian Black (49-9 .18) J: Slade Callaghan (118-14 .11)

3 - Dubai Gold 43.45-1 BEYER: 84
Previous three Beyers: 78-80-71
T: Alec Fehr (61-8 .13) J: David Clark (188-20 .10)

ALSO RAN: Benz Boy(82), Colorful Judgement(81), Pellegrino-BRZ(78), It's Like This(77), Marchfield(67), My Imperial Dancer(52), Shillelagh Slew(40), Mike Fox(38), Tap Show(37).

FRACTIONS: 50.41 1:15.28 1:40.37 2:05.66 2:30.63

OTHER ROUTES, TURF:
Race 10 (MdnSplWt, 3+, 1 1/16) 23.42 47.10 1:12.03 1:37.13 1:43.66

ateamstupid · #19 06-23-2008, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

he didn't freak, he handled a very soft course that the others didn't. there's a difference between a horse putting a field away, and a horse winning because he was the only one who was comfortable. he shouldn't get a higher figure just because he was the only one to run well enough to win.

What, exactly, was so different about Pays to Dream's run in the Dixie and Sailor's Cap's run on Saturday? Obviously the competition wasn't as good on Saturday, but we're supposed to believe that Pays to Dream freaked, yet Sailor's Cap ran his usual race.. I don't see why that's automatically the conclusion.