W/E Beyer Review

[tiggerv]

I figured the Colonial Turf would be tough to make figures for with all the rain. The track must have been slowing down by the minute.

Joey P wasn't far off the track record at CT. If he had any pressure at all or if the jockey had let him loose he had a good chance to break it.

[slotdirt]

Considering the track record at 4.5f at CT is by the Charles Town stalwart Outcashem, it would have been a feat to see Joey P. break that record. Here's hoping CT continues to card open sprint races with decent purses that draw legitimate, non-WV bred fields.

[ddthetide]

surprised that the 2 colonial races were that high. conditions looked to worsen quickly.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

surprised that the 2 colonial races were that high. conditions looked to worsen quickly.

there was no possible way to make the figure for the colonial turf cup. I think the beyer guys did a poor job of guessing at the figure. they obviously just reassigned SC figure from his last race.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

there was no possible way to make the figure for the colonial turf cup. I think the beyer guys did a poor job of guessing at the figure. they obviously just reassigned SC figure from his last race.

Arguably the best turf performance of the year (other than Pay to Dream's freakish run at PIM) and we can't do better than a 93? The horse basically ran the same it did in its previous races?

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Arguably the best turf performance of the year (other than Pay to Dream's freakish run at PIM) and we can't do better than a 93? The horse basically ran the same it did in its previous races?

I agree, how does that explain Nistles Crunch? Did he run one of his worst races ever while being well clear of the rest of the field in a 600k stake??

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

I agree, how does that explain Nistles Crunch? Did he run one of his worst races ever while being well clear of the rest of the field in a 600k stake??

Maybe he hated the turf condition a little less than some of the others. Who knows. He certainly didn't run particularly well. I have a much easier time buying that he ran six or seven lengths worse than his prior efforts than I would saying he ran a similar race.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

I agree, how does that explain Nistles Crunch? Did he run one of his worst races ever while being well clear of the rest of the field in a 600k stake??

i totally agree, the figures are a mess.... i think the winner freaked and they are afraid to make the figure to high, like a 105-110, that would put the rest of the field in a better range

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Arguably the best turf performance of the year (other than Pay to Dream's freakish run at PIM) and we can't do better than a 93? The horse basically ran the same it did in its previous races?

TFM, if the Colonial race got a big figure I would make the same case as I did with Pays to Dream's big PIM win.

When the conditions are like that - some horses seem to handle the going a lot better than others causing FAR greater margins of victory and defeat than normal.

I tend to dismiss those performances - but it doesn't mean those horses weren't possibly clearly best anyway.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

TFM, if the Colonial race got a big figure I would make the same case as I did with Pays to Dream's big PIM win.

When the conditions are like that - some horses seem to handle the going a lot better than others causing FAR greater margins of victory and defeat than normal.

I tend to dismiss those performances - but it doesn't mean those horses weren't possibly clearly best anyway.

It's impossible not to think of Brilliance in the Kent a couple years ago.

Bottom line....the fig is meaningless. Sailor's Cap is a good horse, probably the leading US 3YO turf horse right now, but quantifying that race considering the conditions is fruitless.

I don't know why this is hard for people to understand.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Arguably the best turf performance of the year (other than Pay to Dream's freakish run at PIM) and we can't do better than a 93? The horse basically ran the same it did in its previous races?

Certainly didn't stop them from giving Pays to Dream a gigantic figure, but this time, they refrained. I don't get it.

[tiggerv]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Considering the track record at 4.5f at CT is by the Charles Town stalwart Outcashem, it would have been a feat to see Joey P. break that record. Here's hoping CT continues to card open sprint races with decent purses that draw legitimate, non-WV bred fields.

I hope they do too. I believe they have a new racing secretary so maybe they will be open to more of these special cards. At least make the sprint festival an annual event....although they must have taken a bath on it. I believe the mutuel pool for the feature was only 58k. Tough to give away 200k in prize money with so little in the pool even with the casino funding it. On the other hand it was a very big crowd and there must have been more people than they were planning for considering they ran out of programs before the first race and were running out of food.