Frightening news from the BBC

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

First, from what I've heard, the training came from Pakistan, not Iran.
Second, Pgardn, as you know...napalm can be made pretty easily with gasoline and a petroleum gel (vasoline). The other explosives use peroxide (for the O2 release) and other easily available nitrogen based compounds.
I'm not giving out the formulas. They are already on the net, and for someone that is intent on building explosive devices, the information is not too hard to find, unfortunately.

Yea but they had a timer involved. Mixing these guys can give you a fire but not necessarily an explosion. In other words this has to be done very carefully or its not going to give the desired effect. It may burn a few people up but not bring the plane down. You need an explosion to rip the fuselage. Its easy to rip the thin metal, but you have to have a lot of pressure created all at once, otherwise youjust have an onboard bbq. THis is why im curious. If the stuff is not mixed properly and probably allowed some time to sit and react, and then a trigger gives the desired explosion from the new components made. This is not easy stuff.

I used to do a demonstation involving a dust explosion using a mold powder. It is very easy to set up. But very difficult to get just right to cause a good pop. I did it in a 5 gallon container and sometimes I would get a big arse fireball and a the lid would go right into the ceiling tiles, teachers from other rooms would come running into my room... other times... puffffff.
Just the right amount of O2 per mold spore that had become airborne inside the container. Had a big shield so I could only hurt myself.
WARINING:Dont try this at home. Only supervision with an expert like myself that has already burned his eyelashes and eyebrows off.

Then I had the waterfall of fire... for some reason kids looked forward to demonstration day. They like manning the fire extinguisher.

Sorry dont mean to make "light" of what could have been a very evil deed, but we like to play around. So I am curious how they would get this just right.

BTW: If anyone ever has a rat infestation I am the man to call. I had a ghostbuster like reputation in my neighborhood one year.

And DTS...

I did not assume that Iran was behind this. There are actually very large violent Muslim groups in Pakistan and Indonesia. This I thought was a separate issue from Israels conflict with Hezbollah.

But...

The radical Islamic world has been allowed to fester too long. The British will play this properly and do their best not to alienate the Pakistani's that had nothing to do with this. The best information comes from a friend of a friend... etc... The worst thing we or any other country could do would be to alienate the peaceful Muslims just trying to make a living in their country. Intelligence from peaceful moral people will be very important in these situations which will continue to occur.

[Downthestretch55]

Pat,
I'm not giving out explosive formulas here. From what I've seen on the cable news, one that they looked at was peroxide for O2 and silver. Another had a water bottle with a false bottom under the label to keep the two clear "ingredients" separate. Then there's always the nitro-glycerine.
Security was guessing they would mix it up in the "sterile" area before boarding, not in the plane's bathroom. This after they went through "security".

As far as rats are concerned...there seem to be more than enough running around on the planet. Have at 'em!
W

[Danzig]

from what i read today, the ingredients would be kept separated, and maybe mixed in the sink of the plane. ignition could come from a cell phone battery. so no laptops, cells, ipods allowed on british flights as of now. no liquids of any kind. laptops, etc, will be allowed on u.s. domestic flights--for now.

oh, and surely they would make an exception for the ky that heats up....i mean, come on now!!