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[ELA]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Saying that a trainer (not necessarily Scott Lake) is defensible because he doesnt use amicar is like saying that Saddam Hussien wasnt a bad guy because there were no weapons of mass destruction found.

Excellent point -- absolutely excellent.

Eric

[ELA]

Very, very true about Oscar. For those of you who don't know, Oscar used to train for the Triple Fox Stables, one of the very early versions of partnerships, syndications, etc. -- founded by none other than our own Bob Fox.

Also, I wonder when, where, how, etc. a trainer joins the "we just know he's cheating club" so to speak. We have the Lake's, Asmussen's, Norman's, Dutrow's, et al -- those who have numerous positive tests. What % of these were for exotic, designer, etc. type of drugs and what % was for clenbuterol overages, legal everyday drugs, etc. Regardless, it doesn't matter. However, is it those positive tests that get the guy membership into the "juice trainer" or "super trainer" club?

My point being is that it can be subjective, objective and very much based upon interpretation, understanding, etc.

Anyway, great thread.

Eric

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ELA

Very, very true about Oscar. For those of you who don't know, Oscar used to train for the Triple Fox Stables, one of the very early versions of partnerships, syndications, etc. -- founded by none other than our own Bob Fox.

Also, I wonder when, where, how, etc. a trainer joins the "we just know he's cheating club" so to speak. We have the Lake's, Asmussen's, Norman's, Dutrow's, et al -- those who have numerous positive tests. What % of these were for exotic, designer, etc. type of drugs and what % was for clenbuterol overages, legal everyday drugs, etc. Regardless, it doesn't matter. However, is it those positive tests that get the guy membership into the "juice trainer" or "super trainer" club?

My point being is that it can be subjective, objective and very much based upon interpretation, understanding, etc.

Anyway, great thread.

Eric

Lake was winning at somewhere around a 30% clip in New York. When they implemented the detention barn, his win percetage dropped down to around 7%. He went from having one of the highest winning percentages to one of the lowest. Then he pretty much moved all of his horses to Delaware.

I think that would make most reasonable people wonder about Lake.