New poll- best juice

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I kind of think there is something to this. Do we want to force owners out of the game because they can't afford a chemical edge? We are probably there already.

There may be a bit of truth to this but not in the way West describes. A trainer friend of mine who has a medium sized stable (30 horses) got 3 horses from a owner who had the horses with a big name trainer. He asked the owner to send him the last few vet bills for the horse to see what they had been doing with the horses so he had a little bit of a history. Each horse had between a $1200 and $2000 per month vet bill. This is on horses that were not winning or even running well. There wasnt anything unusual but these horses are getting every possible thing that can be given. A large portion of the bill was gastrogard but they were getting clembuterol, adequan, lubrysn, etc. It obviously wasnt doing much for these three but they werent really any good for my friend either at lower level tracks. I guess the point of the story is that the big trainers are casting a wide net in terms of doing everything possible to keep their horses healthy at a high cost which their owners seem to be willing to pay. In some cases it may be an advantage simply because some of those things may help an individual horse to compete at it's highest level though much may simply be overkill. But there are very few owners that can afford a $2000 a month vet bill especially on horses not earning.

[blackthroatedwind]

The poll reflects the age of the posters here.

I honestly wish those of you that didn't vote for Oscar were around then. You just wouldn't believe what he used to do.

[Cannon Shell]

Too bad Oscar isnt still alive to be called in front of Congress

[Indian Charlie]

What about Byrne from around ten years ago. I think at one Keeneland meet, he had seventeen starters, and went something like 17 14-3-0.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Wesley Ward

[Cannon Shell]

I hate to tell you guys but if you didnt vote for Oscar you really dont know what good juice is. Some of the things he did would make guys like Scavs just insane. Like claiming a horse for $25000 out of the 2nd race on Wednesday, reenter the horse the same day because entries were not filled yet and run back for $40000 on Friday and gallop. Alot. Or run a horse 5 times in a month at different distances and win most of them. And when they were off a long time and dropped hard they never won, never. And when the water was finally turned off he was totally dead. His brother won the triple crown by the way.

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Too bad Oscar isnt still alive to be called in front of Congress

isnt his son still training, must not have inherited the juice, how bout t. jshese in other venues, k. ziadie, w. ward, j. ness, w. catalano--r. slomkowski, r. martinez, cartagena. just some minot league juice maybe, whadya think?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

isnt his son still training, must not have inherited the juice, how bout t. jshese in other venues, k. ziadie, w. ward, j. ness, w. catalano--r. slomkowski, r. martinez, cartagena. just some minot league juice maybe, whadya think?

His son did not get the formula.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The poll reflects the age of the posters here.

I honestly wish those of you that didn't vote for Oscar were around then. You just wouldn't believe what he used to do.

I thought it was normal to claim a horse for $20,000 and then have it win a stakes race 4 days later. LOL. I have never seen anyone come close to Oscar. When horses moved into his barn, it was not uncommon for them to literally improve 10 lengths overnight.

Did they ever figure out what he was giving them?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I thought it was normal to claim a horse for $20,000 and then have it win a stakes race 4 days later. LOL. I have never seen anyone come close to Oscar. When horses moved into his barn, it was not uncommon for them to literally improve 10 lengths overnight.

Did they ever figure out what he was giving them?

Flinstone vitamins

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The poll reflects the age of the posters here.

I honestly wish those of you that didn't vote for Oscar were around then. You just wouldn't believe what he used to do.

Nothing was better then listening to Pack in his prime trying his best not to puke talking about an Oscar claim from a week ago for 15k that trounced 40 claimers by 8... Now that was training...BTW the Horse typically paid 5.80

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Nothing was better then listening to Pack in his prime trying his best not to puke talking about an Oscar claim from a week ago for 15k that trounced 40 claimers by 8... Now that was training...BTW the Horse typically paid 5.80

Utter disdain.

[pgiaco]

Or how about claiming Shifty Sheik and almost winning the Woodward or The Jockey Club Gold Cup? Can't remember which race it was.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by pgiaco

Or how about claiming Shifty Sheik and almost winning the Woodward or The Jockey Club Gold Cup? Can't remember which race it was.

How about claiming Miesques Approval for 50k? and winning the FN Breeder Cup.. Fear the Wolf

[CSC]

Assuming most trainers look and take an advantage to level the playing field, I just have to wonder what separates the Bruce Levine's and Wayne Catalano from the rest? These guys would be batting .400 if we used baseball as an analogy. The best of the best chea... oh I don't want to say it, but you know what I am getting at...

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

How about claiming Miesques Approval for 50k? and winning the FN Breeder Cup.. Fear the Wolf

Miesque's Approval was always owned by Live Oak Plantation, even when running for Mott. Though he did dip into high-priced claimers he was always well-meant and was probably the best grass 2yo of his juvenile year.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Miesque's Approval was always owned by Live Oak Plantation, even when running for Mott. Though he did dip into high-priced claimers he was always well-meant and was probably the best grass 2yo of his juvenile year.

Correct my bad

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The poll reflects the age of the posters here.

I honestly wish those of you that didn't vote for Oscar were around then. You just wouldn't believe what he used to do.

He was one of a kind, made a LOT of money with his runners.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The poll reflects the age of the posters here.

I honestly wish those of you that didn't vote for Oscar were around then. You just wouldn't believe what he used to do.

Harvey Pack tells some good stories about him. . .

[MISTERGEE]

i remember he would also be famous for running three times a week, let them drink the juice up right in the paddock