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[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ELA

LOL. On a related note, I was intrigued by Gary West's comments today on medication, specifically his portrayal/analogy on clenbuterol -- I didn't take notes, but it sounded like he was saying how it's unfair that certain "owners" can afford it, others cannot, and that makes the game unfair.

Eric

You have to remember he is getting his information from guys in Texas for whom a $200 bottle of clembuterol may be considered really expensive. It costs about $4 to $5 per day to use it, hardly expensive. I just think it is funny how indignant guys like West get. He said that "supertrainers" have been created in the last few years due to steroids and clembuterol. That is just laughable. These things have been around for a long time. Clembuterol has been available since the early 90's even though it was not legalized for use in this country until about 8 or 9 years ago. All trainers have access to these things. They are hardly the "designer" drugs.

If an owner cant 'afford' clembuterol and/or steroids then how can they possibly afford horses good enough to compete at a high level anyway? The thought that these are expensive options is 100% wrong. Turning a horse out to let them deal with issues costs far more especially when you consider that the issues may come right back after being put back into training. Regardless of what side of the issue you are on, the costs of these 2 particular items is hardly a reason that they should be "banned".

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You have to remember he is getting his information from guys in Texas for whom a $200 bottle of clembuterol may be considered really expensive. It costs about $4 to $5 per day to use it, hardly expensive. I just think it is funny how indignant guys like West get. He said that "supertrainers" have been created in the last few years due to steroids and clembuterol. That is just laughable. These things have been around for a long time. Clembuterol has been available since the early 90's even though it was not legalized for use in this country until about 8 or 9 years ago. All trainers have access to these things. They are hardly the "designer" drugs.

If an owner cant 'afford' clembuterol and/or steroids then how can they possibly afford horses good enough to compete at a high level anyway? The thought that these are expensive options is 100% wrong. Turning a horse out to let them deal with issues costs far more especially when you consider that the issues may come right back after being put back into training. Regardless of what side of the issue you are on, the costs of these 2 particular items is hardly a reason that they should be "banned".

Excellent points, and I agree.

Eric

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You have to remember he is getting his information from guys in Texas for whom a $200 bottle of clembuterol may be considered really expensive. It costs about $4 to $5 per day to use it, hardly expensive. I just think it is funny how indignant guys like West get. He said that "supertrainers" have been created in the last few years due to steroids and clembuterol. That is just laughable. These things have been around for a long time. Clembuterol has been available since the early 90's even though it was not legalized for use in this country until about 8 or 9 years ago. All trainers have access to these things. They are hardly the "designer" drugs.

If an owner cant 'afford' clembuterol and/or steroids then how can they possibly afford horses good enough to compete at a high level anyway? The thought that these are expensive options is 100% wrong. Turning a horse out to let them deal with issues costs far more especially when you consider that the issues may come right back after being put back into training. Regardless of what side of the issue you are on, the costs of these 2 particular items is hardly a reason that they should be "banned".

The few guys who were using chlenbuterol in the early 1990s had a license to steal. Some of these guys were giving it to horses on race day. If you are the only guy using chlenbuterol and you are using it on race day, it would be hard not to have a 25-30% win percentage.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

The few guys who were using chlenbuterol in the early 1990s had a license to steal. Some of these guys were giving it to horses on race day. If you are the only guy using chlenbuterol and you are using it on race day, it would be hard not to have a 25-30% win percentage.

This is true. It used to come from canada, France and Australia (you know those places where racing is clean). But they did have a test for it in the mid 90's because i know of 2 guys that got caught for using it (harness guys). What about the guys using Lasix on bleeders in the late 60's and early 70's before anyone knew what it was? Anyone thinking that racing was hay, oats, and water back then has never heard of Alex Harthill. Who by the way was the vet for none other than Sunday Silence which was owned by Mr. Hancock.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Anyone thinking that racing was hay, oats, and water back then has never heard of Alex Harthill. Who by the way was the vet for none other than Sunday Silence which was owned by Mr. Hancock.

Just for the Kentucky Derby, right? I don't think Harthill made regular trips to CA to treat Sunday Silence...but maybe he did. Steve Allday used to make monthly visits a couple of years back.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Just for the Kentucky Derby, right? I don't think Harthill made regular trips to CA to treat Sunday Silence...but maybe he did. Steve Allday used to make monthly visits a couple of years back.

I dont think Allday did much work for CW. He was private for Paulsen in Califoria. Harthill was on call and would make "field trips". NY famously would not let him on the grounds when SS was going for the TC. If that happened now....

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont think Allday did much work for CW. He was private for Paulsen in Califoria. Harthill was on call and would make "field trips". NY famously would not let him on the grounds when SS was going for the TC. If that happened now....

What can Allday give DrugS?

The story goes Hancock couldn't give Sunday Silience away and finally Charlie Whittingham took him? You should be so lucky

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

What can Allday give DrugS?

The story goes Hancock couldn't give Sunday Silience away and finally Charlie Whittingham took him? You should be so lucky

Geld him

What do I have to do with a Hancock horse being treated by a outlaw? I know you are a SS suckp but fact is fact.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont think Allday did much work for CW. He was private for Paulsen in Califoria. Harthill was on call and would make "field trips". NY famously would not let him on the grounds when SS was going for the TC. If that happened now....

I remember when Pletcher brought Proud Accolade out here to run in the Hollywood Futurity. Allday came out too. CHRB investigators followed him wherever he went. They wouldn't let him out of their sight.

I don't know if they normally bother him when he comes out here. If he comes out here to work on some horses that aren't running for a couple of weeks, I don't know if they bother him or not. I just remember that when he came out here for the Futurity that year, they followed him everywhere he went.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I remember when Pletcher brought Proud Accolade out here to run in the Hollywood Futurity. Allday came out too. CHRB investigators followed him wherever he went. They wouldn't let him out of their sight.

I don't know if they normally bother him when he comes out here. If he comes out here to work on some horses that aren't running for a couple of weeks, I don't know if they bother him or not. I just remember that when he came out here for the Futurity that year, they followed him everywhere he went.

They follow him in NY too

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is true. It used to come from canada, France and Australia (you know those places where racing is clean). But they did have a test for it in the mid 90's because i know of 2 guys that got caught for using it (harness guys). What about the guys using Lasix on bleeders in the late 60's and early 70's before anyone knew what it was? Anyone thinking that racing was hay, oats, and water back then has never heard of Alex Harthill. Who by the way was the vet for none other than Sunday Silence which was owned by Mr. Hancock.

........he may have payed me a visted too