Best race in Delaware Park history???

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Nice PG'85 Giants Causeway impersonation.

It's a loaded 55K stake anyway - Sweet Hope is back on dirt and in there. Puskita and Indian Way are obviously both very talented and will be the two to beat.

I expect a few scratches for sure.

Lion Heart dude?

[jcs11204]

giants causeway and indian charlie are not in the same league

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

giants causeway and indian charlie are not in the same league

That's an understatement.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

That's an understatement.

i am glad we agree....
giant is going to be a sire of all sires...
storm cat already is.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i am glad we agree....
giant is going to be a sire of all sires...
storm cat already is.

I'm glad you think we agree.

Facts do not support your position however. If you look at the quality of mares both horses have been bred to, it really is no contest who the better stallion is. Considering that about 90% of the mares bred to Indian Charlie (in the first five years) were either unraced or never won a race, what he's accomplished at stud so far is beyond amazing.

There are only a few stallions in this country that move up their mares the way he does.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i am glad we agree....
giant is going to be a sire of all sires...
storm cat already is.

One other thing I disagree with. I don't think Storm Cat is the sire of sires that you and a lot of others think he is.

He's had a few nice sires, like GC and Stormy Atlantic, but what other top notch sires has he gotten?

I certainly wouldn't rate him as the next Northern Dancer, Mr. Prospector, or even Gone West.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

One other thing I disagree with. I don't think Storm Cat is the sire of sires that you and a lot of others think he is.

He's had a few nice sires, like GC and Stormy Atlantic, but what other top notch sires has he gotten?

I certainly wouldn't rate him as the next Northern Dancer, Mr. Prospector, or even Gone West.

he was a bust as a sire of sires til the giant came along. thing is, giant's causeway's fee is huge, so you have to consider the ROI with him, as compared to a horse like indian charlie. having a giants baby not sell would be a lot bigger loss to swallow than an IC for instance...

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Danzig

he was a bust as a sire of sires til the giant came along. thing is, giant's causeway's fee is huge, so you have to consider the ROI with him, as compared to a horse like indian charlie. having a giants baby not sell would be a lot bigger loss to swallow than an IC for instance...

giants causeway has the potential to be one of the best sires ever, i have been saying that for years...

as for him on the track, well listen, ppl on this site say curlin would get destroyed in the ARC, so what does that say about the giant, he came here first time on dirt vs americas best, and almost got it done.... he is very underated as a race horse and sire.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

One other thing I disagree with. I don't think Storm Cat is the sire of sires that you and a lot of others think he is.

He's had a few nice sires, like GC and Stormy Atlantic, but what other top notch sires has he gotten?

I certainly wouldn't rate him as the next Northern Dancer, Mr. Prospector, or even Gone West.

Forestry, Hennessy, Tale of the Cat, Forest Wildcat, Harlan, Catienus, Exploit, Yankee Gentleman, Freud, Pure Prize...

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by philcski

Forestry, Hennessy, Tale of the Cat, Forest Wildcat, Harlan, Catienus, Exploit, Yankee Gentleman, Freud, Pure Prize...

Forestry? LOL. True, his get sell well, but cmon, he sucks.

Especially at 125k or so.

Forest Wildcat is moderate at best.

Hennessy is one I forgot about. He did okay here and there.

TOTC gets a decent runner now and then, but mostly they are pretty frail and don't amount to much.

Harlan was good, but short lived.


Catienus is solid, considering his start at stud (wasn't he in NY?).

I'll take a pass on Freud and Exploit. Yankee Gentleman got off to a nice start and Pure Prize has had a couple of good runners.

I just don't see that as a tremendous roster for a supposed sire of sires.

Would you like a partial list from Northern Dancer, Mr. P., or even Raise a Native?