W/E Beyers - REVISED Curlin 110

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Makes more sense to me from a capability standpoint - Hystericalady is better than her original fig (and probably this one too), Pyro's not 101 worthy, and 110 works for Curlin even though that seems a little high with the slow pace.

The blind hatred of Pyro on this site continues to amaze me.

What does capability have to do with these particular races? Hystericalady beat a bunch of muskrats and was hardly asked to run, and Curlin's race was affected by a slow pace. I don't agree with adjusting figures for races like that just so they "fit" previous form.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The blind hatred of Pyro on this site continues to amaze me.

What does capability have to do with these particular races? Hystericalady beat a bunch of muskrats and was hardly asked to run, and Curlin's race was affected by a slow pace. I don't agree with adjusting figures for races like that just so they "fit" previous form.

You got to consider the source, ACE. The people criticizing horses like PYRO are also over hyping horses like Harlem Rocker and Unbridled's whatever. It's a number's frenzy. Enjoy it. It's what makes the game beatable.

[MISTERGEE]

after Curlins 110, 2nd best beyer of weekend is Rockerfeller. trained by marty wolfson in only his last two, runs a 106 beating some very speedy horses with ease. was basically running in the 70s beyer wise and couldnt win a nw2. reminds me of the turnaround of another live oak runner given to wolfson, Miesques Approval went from crap to breeders cup winner and turf champion

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The blind hatred of Pyro on this site continues to amaze me.

What does capability have to do with these particular races? Hystericalady beat a bunch of muskrats and was hardly asked to run, and Curlin's race was affected by a slow pace. I don't agree with adjusting figures for races like that just so they "fit" previous form.

maybe it's the darley connection?

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The blind hatred of Pyro on this site continues to amaze me.

What does capability have to do with these particular races? Hystericalady beat a bunch of muskrats and was hardly asked to run, and Curlin's race was affected by a slow pace. I don't agree with adjusting figures for races like that just so they "fit" previous form.

He's an ok horse - but I just don't think he's that fast. I don't hate him at all - he was one of the two horses I keyed on top in the derby. But, I think the figs he earned earlier this year are about right (as opposed to the BC fig). And, more importantly, I don't think My Pal Charlie is capable of the type of fig that he would get if Pyro got a 101.

I'm not an expert figure maker like you are apparently, so it's just easier for me to look at a fig in relation to a horse's previous figs and make judgments based on that as well as pace, trip, etc... I don't have the time or energy to analyze final times, variants, etc... I'm left at the mercy of the fig makers, which isn't ideal, but I trust their judgment most of the time.

I didn't have a problem with Curlin's original fig because of the pace scenario and the fact that it was his first race back from Dubai, but obviously if they split the variant it works out to a 110. Hystericalady's fig also makes sense, so I don't have a problem with it. Like you said, she wasn't asked (we won't get in to this discussion).

Fat man - you're just corny sometimes. I respect your opinion on trips, but the rest of the time you're a bit of a douche bag.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I don't agree with adjusting figures for races like that just so they "fit" previous form.

I don't like it either. Why can't they just leave these ones as they were? Are we really to believe that the stretch of track from where they start the 9 furlong races to where they start the 8.5 furlong races is so slow that it needs to be split out?