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Old 06-15-2008, 08:00 AM
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First Defence = off the board in the Jaipur.

Good luck with that.
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Old 06-15-2008, 09:25 AM
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Good luck with that.
perhaps, but I see enough question marks to go against for the win.
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Old 06-15-2008, 09:43 AM
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no pushover for first defence

the 9 has speed and coa
the 1 had speed and the inside
the 8 may the schwartz be with you!!
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Old 06-15-2008, 04:53 PM
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no pushover for first defence

the 9 has speed and coa
the 1 had speed and the inside
the 8 may the schwartz be with you!!

I'm sorry, then please explain this post.


I didn't " beat up on the Fat Man. " I was just joking with him. It's pretty clear I have a huge amount of respect for his opinion. Just as it's also clear that I thought betting against First Defence was probably a mistake. Win or lose, he's a dramatically better horse than today's competition and he has superior turf breeding ( probably better than dirt ). He wasn't great value at even money but to me you either keyed him or passed the race.
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Old 06-15-2008, 07:45 PM
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I'm sorry, then please explain this post.


I didn't " beat up on the Fat Man. " I was just joking with him. It's pretty clear I have a huge amount of respect for his opinion. Just as it's also clear that I thought betting against First Defence was probably a mistake. Win or lose, he's a dramatically better horse than today's competition and he has superior turf breeding ( probably better than dirt ). He wasn't great value at even money but to me you either keyed him or passed the race.
they were other options.. and he allmost got beat by 1
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Old 06-15-2008, 08:07 PM
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they were other options.. and he allmost got beat by 1
I understand. But, he was the dominent speed, that's all. I know it was obvious.

He was decidedly unimpressive today and even though he won it probably was right to bet against him in retrospect.
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Old 06-15-2008, 08:27 PM
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I understand. But, he was the dominent speed, that's all. I know it was obvious.

He was decidedly unimpressive today and even though he won it probably was right to bet against him in retrospect.
This is where understanding the concept BEHIND 'ENTRY' comes into play. I mean you can understand how to go about running an entry but you also need to grasp the concept. Penna understood it in the 5th, and won the race. Yesterday, DONK didn't understand it, and lost the race. 2 weeks ago, Cornelio (and Mott) failed to grasp it, and it cost them a win as well.

If Linda Rice took a look at the form, she'd realize that FD was the lone speed. She would thus realize that she'd have to 'sacrifice' one of her horses. Two horses working together in a race can usually take down a single horse: one duels while the other drafts. I feel for Mohegan Sky. She was too close to the pace last out and had to run harder than necessary. And, inexplicably, she was too close today; and ran her ass off. It can't be the case that she was the rabbit for Silver Timber. Any way you cut it, Silver Timber is supposed to GO. Oh wait, Cornelio was up. And, we've already established that he has no sense of 'ENTRY'. Clueless trainer; clueless jockey; result: A LOSS.

Game is hard when the connections can't get together.
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Old 06-15-2008, 09:55 AM
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I think the 9 True To Tradition has a good shot. 1'st D has a dirt class edge, if that transfers to turf he'll be tough. Can't take the low odds though. I see him getting gobbled up in the stretch and hear the splashing of the bridge jumpers! I'll play a 4-9 exacta box. and a 4,9-1,3,5,6-4,9 tri.
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