6/14 (CD): Stephen Foster Day

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Danzig

near the top old time? i doubt it.


turf horses run on dirt to try to boost their fee, not the other way 'round.

Did you see the 1973 Man O'War?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Did you see the 1973 Man O'War?

yeah, no doubt sec's fee rose after that race....

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, no doubt sec's fee rose after that race....

I don't recall anyone, other than yourself, suggesting that if Curlin were to run on turf, it would be to raise his stud fee.

Like Secretariat, Curlin pretty much has nothing to prove on dirt, and it would just be a display of versatility were he to win a big turf stakes. By the same reasoning, you might suggest that he show up for the BC at Santa Anita, too.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I don't recall anyone, other than yourself, suggesting that if Curlin were to run on turf, it would be to raise his stud fee.

Like Secretariat, Curlin pretty much has nothing to prove on dirt, and it would just be a display of versatility were he to win a big turf stakes. By the same reasoning, you might suggest that he show up for the BC at Santa Anita, too.

i am in no way suggesting a race on turf would raise his fee, that's been my point all along--i think he's reaches his ceiling stud-fee wise. i think jess jackson has a once in a life time horse, and it's in the twilight of HIS life. i don't imagine he'd look back fondly to curlins retirement, but races leave a wealth of memories. i'm glad he's kept him out there, just wish there were more like him.

i agree he has nothing more to show on dirt. as for santa anita, i'll be surprised if he shows, since he's never run on awt to my knowledge.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i am in no way suggesting a race on turf would raise his fee, that's been my point all along--i think he's reaches his ceiling stud-fee wise.i agree he has nothing more to show on dirt. as for santa anita, i'll be surprised if he shows, since he's never run on awt to my knowledge.

I was just defending the position someone took that Curlin, as far as his position amongst racehorses all-time is concerned, would achieve a higher reputation if he were to run on grass and be successful at the top level.

From your reply to that post, you seemed to assume that the point of running on grass was to increase his stud value, but that wasn't what was being said by the other poster. I brought up Secretariat as an example of a dirt horse switching to the turf in a sporting move.

One could also mention Buckpasser, who I think was planning for a tilt at the Arc in France at 4 and was run in the Tidal or Bowling Green at Belmont to get a feel for turf. Because of some shoeing complications, he didn't handle it particularly well, and finished 3rd, ending his international travel plans. Unfortunately, it also ended a 15-race win streak, which would have tied him with Citation well before Cigar did with that cheesy manufactured race at Arlington.

Hopefully, Jess Jackson ups the ante of his sportsmanship by moving this horse to grass as opposed to just trying to break the pointless all-time money record or sending Curlin to Japan for the Japan Cup Dirt to face another group of no-hopers as he did in Dubai...

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I was just defending the position someone took that Curlin, as far as his position amongst racehorses all-time is concerned, would achieve a higher reputation if he were to run on grass and be successful at the top level.

From your reply to that post, you seemed to assume that the point of running on grass was to increase his stud value, but that wasn't what was being said by the other poster. I brought up Secretariat as an example of a dirt horse switching to the turf in a sporting move.

One could also mention Buckpasser, who I think was planning for a tilt at the Arc in France at 4 and was run in the Tidal or Bowling Green at Belmont to get a feel for turf. Because of some shoeing complications, he didn't handle it particularly well, and finished 3rd, ending his international travel plans. Unfortunately, it also ended a 15-race win streak, which would have tied him with Citation well before Cigar did with that cheesy manufactured race at Arlington.

Hopefully, Jess Jackson ups the ante of his sportsmanship by moving this horse to grass as opposed to just trying to break the pointless all-time money record or sending Curlin to Japan for the Japan Cup Dirt to face another group of no-hopers as he did in Dubai...

Japan Cup Dirt is no joke. Curlin might be up against it there as well.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I was just defending the position someone took that Curlin, as far as his position amongst racehorses all-time is concerned, would achieve a higher reputation if he were to run on grass and be successful at the top level.

From your reply to that post, you seemed to assume that the point of running on grass was to increase his stud value, but that wasn't what was being said by the other poster. I brought up Secretariat as an example of a dirt horse switching to the turf in a sporting move.

One could also mention Buckpasser, who I think was planning for a tilt at the Arc in France at 4 and was run in the Tidal or Bowling Green at Belmont to get a feel for turf. Because of some shoeing complications, he didn't handle it particularly well, and finished 3rd, ending his international travel plans. Unfortunately, it also ended a 15-race win streak, which would have tied him with Citation well before Cigar did with that cheesy manufactured race at Arlington.

Hopefully, Jess Jackson ups the ante of his sportsmanship by moving this horse to grass as opposed to just trying to break the pointless all-time money record or sending Curlin to Japan for the Japan Cup Dirt to face another group of no-hopers as he did in Dubai...

i think it would definitely move curlin up should he race in the arc, and actually win-altho i have a hard time believing either will happen.

a lot gets lost in translation imo on this board. the other day at a meeting a man talked about how much of a conversation involves body language, tone of voice, etc. he's right.
i got the idea from some posters that they thought he should run on turf to increase his stud fee, which i also don't think is the case. being a smart strike, i think most already assume the turf is there in his pedigree.