Kent's Ride: Stride-by-stride

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Still not working. Try the Big Brown going up Da' Tara's ass joke again. No one has heard it yet.

Hey did you hear the joke about BB goin up D'tara's ass ?

To me it looked like Big Brown cross-fired around the first turn. From there on out I just knew that he was sore because I could see him grimacing halfway down the backstretch.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

To me it looked like Big Brown cross-fired around the first turn. From there on out I just knew that he was sore because I could see him grimacing halfway down the backstretch.

as good an explanation as any others i've seen.

i like billy turners take on it-they couldn't train him right, and get him fit for 12f due to the foot. there were a variety of factors that contributed to his loss, but i think most of it was the foot.

to say 'oh it's all desormeauxs fault' is an oversimplification. it's a lot of things. kent had nothing but horse every other race; he rode him the same way this time, and the horse wasn't there. that's not kents fault.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

No, is it funny?

No...not at all.....and after the 478th time it gets rather annoying.

[The Bid]

Jim Ive never told anyone how great I am. I just know Im a lot sharper than you.

I didnt blame Dedumbeaux for anything except not giving his mount a chance to win you pecker

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Look how upset and personal you are getting. Who does that?

Dahoss

Again, you have successfully managed to ignore my entire argument, and at the same time toss in a few of your own irrelevant points.

I don't know you, so I can't say if you are a smart guy or not. But you are one of the worst arguers I have ever debated. You simply fail to respond directly to the points of others, and you frequently make points of your own that have nothing to do with the discussion. You do this constantly.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Now this is funny. Justin, take notes.

Unfortuneatly I didnt write this.......it came from Justindouchenozzle. Just a reprint.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Unfortuneatly I didnt write this.......it came from Justindouchenozzle. Just a reprint.

Just admit you have a crush on me. You spend way, WAY too much time thinking about/remembering/commenting on things I say.

[Travis Stone]

The risk/reward of quarter horsing up the rail is significant:

- Garcia could drift in just enough to prevent it.
- Da' Tara could hook-up with Big Brown, both going too fast to last.
- Big Brown could resist.

If he does get through, suddenly he's run a quarter in the low 23 range to make up the lengths and get the lead, which is quite fast for 12 furlongs, given all his other question marks.

[The Bid]

Travis

We are talking about a horse who was being compared to Secretariat and Seattle Slew. Do you think Slew or Secretariat could have endured an opening quarter with Da Tara, eyeball to eyeball? Its lunacy to think that the best move was taking this horse back, he should have been sent up the rail and given an opportunity to run. Maybe he doesnt get the distance, maybe he comes up short, whatever. The betting public deserved an opportunity, and so did the horse.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Travis

We are talking about a horse who was being compared to Secretariat and Seattle Slew. Do you think Slew or Secretariat could have endured an opening quarter with Da Tara, eyeball to eyeball? Its lunacy to think that the best move was taking this horse back, he should have been sent up the rail and given an opportunity to run. Maybe he doesnt get the distance, maybe he comes up short, whatever. The betting public deserved an opportunity, and so did the horse.

Good point, but I am not buying this arguement from people. I think the only people who were comparing this horse to Secretariat or Seattle Slew were either glamorizing the present and the comparison or were completely uninformed or uneducated. The sport needs that kind of comparison. It's only natural. People get excited that "it's happening -- again" perhaps. It's like someone approaching hitting 400, or the old 60 home run mark. People get into that mindset.

This horse had a lot more to do in order to be truly compared to and on par with those two greats. If he won, sure, he would be an undefeated Triple Crown winner -- and that's a "great accomplishment" -- but it doesn't make him one of the all-time greats or a truly great horse. It certainly gets him closer, but not all there.

In my mind, he'd have to keep going -- and go on -- not retire undefeated, but go on and continue to prove that he is a truly great horse. If he came back, one a few more G1's, beat older horses, faced adversity again and again, took on all comers, the mid-year and late bloomers, and so on. If he retired after winning the Triple Crown undefeated -- to me the true greatness was still elusive. The greatness was perhaps what could have been. It was the potential -- and that is not definitive. Secreatariat and Seattle Slew were in my mind.

Eric

[SentToStud]

The Royal Rumble of threads.

All I know is if you are riding "the best horse you've ever ridden" and if you are so confident that all your horse has to do " is get in the starting gate" and you put the kind of ride on the steed like Desormeaux did, you are, at least in part, responsible.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

All I know is if you are riding "the best horse you've ever ridden" and if you are so confident that all your horse has to do " is get in the starting gate" and you put the kind of ride on the steed like Desormeaux did, you are, at least in part, responsible.

I look at it this way -- he didn't cause the loss by any stretch of the imagination. At the same time, he didn't do the horse any favors. But given the chain of events, I'm not sure very many jockeys would have.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I look at it this way -- he didn't cause the loss by any stretch of the imagination. At the same time, he didn't do the horse any favors. But given the chain of events, I'm not sure very many jockeys would have.

Travis,
My only point is that Kent didn't know the horse was going to be empty. And he certainly didn't ride as if he had the far best horse. But I doubt he had a contingency for breaking bad and out.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I look at it this way -- he didn't cause the loss by any stretch of the imagination. At the same time, he didn't do the horse any favors. But given the chain of events, I'm not sure very many jockeys would have.

exactly right on. well put.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

This is strictly an opinion kind of question. Do you personally think that Dutrow, Desormeaux or anyone form IEAH was that confident? How could they be, with the foot issue?

I'd say Dutrow and IEAH thought:

1/3 chance they believed he was unbeatable no matter what.
1/3 chance they thought the foot was no problem, leaving all the other kinds of reasons that led to the last 10 Derby-Preakness winners losing the race.
1/3 chance they thought they were in big trouble for reasons known and unknown to others.

Thing is, I doubt they'd have shared anything negative with the jockey. I just thought Desormeaux didn't ride like he thought he was on the far best horse.

[the_fat_man]

There are some 'big names in the industry' posting here? Not as big as some of the experts that do the pre-race commentary, right?

[johnny pinwheel]

that horse would not of won unless it was pegasus and sprouted wings. blaming the jock is easy but what race did these folks see? i was there, the horse was uncomfortable from the start. something was definetly wrong , i don't care what they say. by the time he settled he was used up, he could not even keep up with d'tara and tale of ekati. is that the same horse we saw a few weeks ago ? it would be one thing if he lost but he did not even finish the race. and if he can't take a couple bumps or being inside horses, well he does not deserve a triple crown, its part of the game. i was suspect of this horse from day 1. yet the countless "experts" on here touted him as secretariat. whenever i hear someone say a horse can't lose, i know they don't know much, this includes dutrow. that horse went out there sore or with an empty tank, Christ could of had the mount, BB was not winning at 1 1/2 miles that day!

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

that horse would not of won unless it was pegasus and sprouted wings. blaming the jock is easy but what race did these folks see? i was there, the horse was uncomfortable from the start. something was definetly wrong , i don't care what they say. by the time he settled he was used up, he could not even keep up with d'tara and tale of ekati. is that the same horse we saw a few weeks ago ? it would be one thing if he lost but he did not even finish the race. and if he can't take a couple bumps or being inside horses, well he does not deserve a triple crown, its part of the game. i was suspect of this horse from day 1. yet the countless "experts" on here touted him as secretariat. whenever i hear someone say a horse can't lose, i know they don't know much, this includes dutrow. that horse went out there sore or with an empty tank, Christ could of had the mount, BB was not winning at 1 1/2 miles that day!

Who on here compared this horse to Secretariat?

Oh yeah...



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[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

that horse would not of won unless it was pegasus and sprouted wings. blaming the jock is easy but what race did these folks see? i was there, the horse was uncomfortable from the start. something was definetly wrong , i don't care what they say. by the time he settled he was used up, he could not even keep up with d'tara and tale of ekati. is that the same horse we saw a few weeks ago ? it would be one thing if he lost but he did not even finish the race. and if he can't take a couple bumps or being inside horses, well he does not deserve a triple crown, its part of the game. i was suspect of this horse from day 1. yet the countless "experts" on here touted him as secretariat. whenever i hear someone say a horse can't lose, i know they don't know much, this includes dutrow. that horse went out there sore or with an empty tank, Christ could of had the mount, BB was not winning at 1 1/2 miles that day!

the truth. you know what i'm saying . these kids and others taking bets on if he'll win by 10. the race is a forgone conclusion and all the rest of the bs on here. which is why i had the pic 3