Most Impressive Horse today at belmont ? - Page 3

jcs11204 · #41 06-07-2008, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

just watch the race again. . . I don't even know what we're arguing about at this point. . .

im not arguing, i told you yesterday i respect you... i guess we just saw it a different way... my point is... any decent grade 1-2 speed horse, opens up off of those fractions and benny is second by 5, luckily for dutrow, they cought a weak group and benny outclassed them, which he should have,

The Bid · #42 06-07-2008, 11:30 PM

Eventhough Benny needed the race it woulda taken a 110 to beat him. Not many horses running that right now going 3/4

hockey2315 · #43 06-07-2008, 11:31 PM

couldn't it just be that Benny's the best sprinter in the world? and even though the front-runner may have had a tactical advantage it wasn't enough to overcome his lesser ability compared to the winner?

jcs11204 · #44 06-07-2008, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

couldn't it just be that Benny's the best sprinter in the world? and even though the front-runner may have had a tactical advantage it wasn't enough to overcome his lesser ability compared to the winner?

he is hands down the best sprinter in the world right now....

ArlJim78 · #45 06-08-2008, 10:07 AM

it was a day filled with some very nice performances, but one that stands out to me is J Be K. He dueled between horses through fast fractions for about five furlongs, before drawing off by about five in less than 1:22 time.

someone may have mentioned this but the six furlong split in this race (1:08.78) was faster than the final time of the True North, 1:09.06

that was a big effort.

CSC · #46 06-08-2008, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

it was a day filled with some very nice performances, but one that stands out to me is J Be K. He dueled between horses through fast fractions for about five furlongs, before drawing off by about five in less than 1:22 time.

someone may have mentioned this but the six furlong split in this race (1:08.78) was faster than the final time of the True North, 1:09.06

that was a big effort.

I noticed that also, I'm sure someone will weigh in and clarify the varying track variants with races later in the day, but that was one very good performance by the highweight which again sorry if I sound like a broken record, you just have to wonder how good Harlem Rocker is or can be.

The Indomitable DrugS · #47 06-08-2008, 10:18 AM

Zaftig was just plain awesome.

Desert Key did manage to run 0.26 seconds faster than Benny The Bull in a pair of races both at the 6f distance - but his trip was candy - still very impressive though.

J Be K obviously looked sharp as well.

jcs11204 · #48 06-08-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

That race is still a head scratcher. How does a horse that's usually 10-1 or higher get suspiciously bet down to 4-1 and then win going away under what looked like a hand ride. And some of you guys think Dutrow is a cheater?

hmm.. i am not to familiar with everything around here... but i dont think i would have went there.... i dont think ppl will be to happy with that comment

jcs11204 · #49 06-08-2008, 10:41 AM

also gary s has always been good on the turf, i was told that when i was 10 at saratoga, and the group he faced was weak.

The Indomitable DrugS · #50 06-08-2008, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

That race is still a head scratcher. How does a horse that's usually 10-1 or higher get suspiciously bet down to 4-1 and then win going away under what looked like a hand ride. And some of you guys think Dutrow is a cheater?

The race was freaking awful.

I would have bet Piazza at 3/1 in there.

jcs11204 · #51 06-08-2008, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The race was freaking awful.

I would have bet Piazza at 3/1 in there.

the race was awful ? you mean what i just said above, that it was a bad group, and him winning was not that much of a suprise ?

ArlJim78 · #52 06-08-2008, 10:45 AM

Piazza de Spagna was not a surprise to me. I had him rated well above the others in that field, with Smart Enuf the only one close. I think he looked so good because the rest of the field was terrible. seriously, there were no other horses that had any kind of late interest

hoovesupsideyourhead · #53 06-08-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Zaftig was just plain awesome.

Desert Key did manage to run 0.26 seconds faster than Benny The Bull in a pair of races both at the 6f distance - but his trip was candy - still very impressive though.

J Be K obviously looked sharp as well.

Gauchos0522 · #54 06-08-2008, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

That race is still a head scratcher. How does a horse that's usually 10-1 or higher get suspiciously bet down to 4-1 and then win going away under what looked like a hand ride. And some of you guys think Dutrow is a cheater?

Go back and compare his closing fractions in his previous races to that of the others in the field. He looked like the second most likely winner due to that fact alone.

ateamstupid · #55 06-08-2008, 07:42 PM

Zaftig, J Be K and Desert Key were all awesome.

jcs11204 · #56 06-08-2008, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Zaftig, J Be K and Desert Key were all awesome.

i made the comment earlier in this thread that desert key could run with j be k, do you agree with that ?

ateamstupid · #57 06-08-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204

i made the comment earlier in this thread that desert key could run with j be k, do you agree with that ?

Tough to say. They're both very nice horses, but J Be K has beaten more and better horses, so I'd give him the nod for now.

jcs11204 · #58 06-08-2008, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Tough to say. They're both very nice horses, but J Be K has beaten more and better horses, so I'd give him the nod for now.

i guess thats spot on at this point, have to figure desert key has tons of room for improvment at this point though.

pick4 · #59 06-08-2008, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204

i disagree, strongly... benny is great, wonderful horse... but he won today because the group he faced was very weak, he looked to be in a ton of trouble, and then MAN OF DANGER decides to just stop.

Belmont Day would of been a great day for me if Man of Danger held on. But Benny the Bull ran an amazing race considering the way the track was and the splits. The chart http://www.drf.com/drfPDFChartRacesI...=20080607&RN=6
says Man of Danger ran his eyeballs out only to be passed by a very talented sprinter.

pgiaco · #60 06-08-2008, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

That race is still a head scratcher. How does a horse that's usually 10-1 or higher get suspiciously bet down to 4-1 and then win going away under what looked like a hand ride. And some of you guys think Dutrow is a cheater?

This statement is so far from reality it defies logic. Bad field, Piazza had half way decent recent form and you're comparing Gary to Dutrow? Puh-leeze.