Dedumbeaux's Ride

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by The Bid

On a 1-10 how bad was Dedumbeaux's ride and strategy the first 220 yards of the race. 10 is the worst Dedumbeaux ride possible, use the Keeneland stand up at the 16th pole as the gold standard

Im putting the ride at 7 Dedumbeaux's

i disagree. that horse looked awful form the opening of the gate. what race were you watching, he stopped. he did not exactly lose by a length or two. it was not the same horse. i could tell he was in trouble on the first turn. going into the second turn i knew he was done. the thing i did not like about kent is he wouldn't admit that horse was sore. believe me i've seen enough races, the horse was trying to pull right from the start and was not even gliding smoothly like he did in the other races. God could of rode him he was not winning like that . he could of been scratched but that would of been a disaster, the pressure was on.

[dylbert]

Big Brown couldn't have won if Jerry Bailey had jumped from ESPN to saddle today. Horse looked horrible. From experience here in Deep South, BB appeared to react to record high heat in New York this afternoon. He may have other problems that have not been fully uncovered as well. You can hang jockey if you wish. KD did his best to keep BB whole as end of race when all Triple Crown hopes and dreams had expired.

[ArlJim78]

Coa did his part, thats for sure. He kept Big Brown pinned behing D'Tara early, then pushed him out on the backstretch. With that said, you give Big Brown a dream trip from the outside and he still would have lost yesterday.

Kent stopped on him I think just to not have the indignity of getting passed by the maiden while in a drive.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Coa did his part, thats for sure. He kept Big Brown pinned behing D'Tara early, then pushed him out on the backstretch. With that said, you give Big Brown a dream trip from the outside and he still would have lost yesterday.

Kent stopped on him I think just to not have the indignity of getting passed by the maiden while in a drive.

Kent stopped on him because that is what Kent does. He should have done what every over jockey would have done. He should have just wrapped him up and galloped home. But this was all about him and he does what he usually does. When he doesn't think he can win he gives up on the horse. If you don't believe me, look at his non-gallop out on Golden Doc A in Indian Blessings race. Horse finished last and he didn't even get a 16th past the finish and he yanked him up. Golden's assistant who was there was pissed.

But as much as I dislike KD as a jockey, Dutrow bears responsibility. You don't miss 4 days of training during this TP cycle, go into a 1 1/2 mile race and expect to not have a problem. Rumor on the back stretch was there was alot of blood under the patch of the quarter crack. Someone said blood was gushing out of it.

But I have never seen so much anomosity for a trainer and jockey as there is for those two. Dutrow brings it on and Kenny D. does as well with his rides. I have no fault with the first 220 yards. I think he was an ass the last part of the race with the world watching. It looked like another Barbaro breakdown.

[fpsoxfan]

To me, BB looked very much like War Pass did in the Tampa Bay Race.
I thought Kent had a decent ride on him. He got the horse to the outside and there was nothing there. Horses are vulnerable and they do get beat.
The Triple Crown will have to wait another year. It wasn't the best crop of three year olds, but it was a fun and interesting year. Hopefully we will see BB run again.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

it was a fun and interesting year.

Really?
I guess I'm glad some people enjoyed it.
I found it to be one of the least "fun" and/or "interesting" TC years in recent decades.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Really?
I guess I'm glad some people enjoyed it.
I found it to be one of the least "fun" and/or "interesting" TC years in recent decades.

If you didn't find it at least a little fun and or interesting then why are you involved in this sport? The prep races weren't at the very least interesting?
The five weeks of the three triple crown races weren't interesting? For something that wasn't interesting it sure generated a lot of threads on this forum. What does it have to be like in order for it to make it more interesting to you?

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Really?
I guess I'm glad some people enjoyed it.
I found it to be one of the least "fun" and/or "interesting" TC years in recent decades.

I agree with you. The lack of quality horses (which hopefully will change), the trend to limit the starts of these horses to an almost laughable level ( which probably won't change) and the infusion of artifical surfaces in the major prep races (which definately won't change) left me as uninspired this year as any year in memory. That's what you get when this level of the game exists for no other reason than an adjunct and showcase for the breeding industry; unfortunately don't know how or when that's ever going to change...

[Thunder Gulch]

I think Desormeaux moving Real Quiet too early ten years ago may have cost him the Triple Crown, but nothing he could have done yesterday would have made a difference. The horse just didn't have it.

[MaTH716]

Kent mentioned that the horse "slipped" coming out of the gate. Then he was clearly uncomfortable being on the rail. Kent put him on the outside where he likes it (Hell they opted for the 20 in the derby over the rail) and then it seemed that Coa was intent on putting Big Brown in to the Parking Lot. He did look very wide on the backstretch (that stupid abc/espn view finally paid off). This is a horse that had always seemed to have perfect trips, this was the first time that he really had to deal with a little trouble. I do think it did affect him, but bottom line is that he just didn't have the horse. So even if Kent got him to the lead or kept him clear, I do not think it would have mattered. The horse had nothing when Kent asked him.