No Dime Supers at NYRA on Fri. and Sat.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Extremely counterintuitive. Very hard to believe. (well, i didn't even know Pimlico had dime supers, but haven't played their sans Preakness).
Something is extremely wrong if the dime supers do not generate more money for the SUPER pools. However, that is NOT increased money in the OVERALL pools. The extra money in the super pools is coming from the small bankroll players, who have a set amount to lose. Whether they lose it in the dime super or the win/place/show or the exacta pool doesn't matter. In other words dime supers do not affect total handle. They should affect super handle unless the track is doing something wrong.
It seems like another case of the tracks not getting it, if they aren't showing an individual pool increase.

All that said, I am generally against dime supers, and always against them in feature races and stakes races. I do think they have their place in cheaper tracks, and polytrack races of over 8 entries.

Ok, you have me intrigued, what does the surface have to do with the type of exotic wager to play?

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Scav

Ok, you have me intrigued, what does the surface have to do with the type of exotic wager to play?

You get some of these cheaper races on polytrack and it seems at least to me to diminish the difference between who the 4th and 8th best animals. Maybe all the slots to some degree.

-Ive hit dime supers in chaos situations at Arlington for example that i wouldn't even have bet the race otherwise, much less bet a heavy $1 superfecta to take it down.

In a stakes race, I don't want the dime super(on any surface). Especially in the "classics". If I did a great job of deciding that the 6th betting choice is better than the 4th betting choice, then I don't want to share "my" super pool with coverage dimers.

just my opinions, i could be off base

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

You get some of these cheaper races on polytrack and it seems at least to me to diminish the difference between who the 4th and 8th best animals. Maybe all the slots to some degree.

-Ive hit dime supers in chaos situations at Arlington for example that i wouldn't even have bet the race otherwise, much less bet a heavy $1 superfecta to take it down.

In a stakes race, I don't want the dime super(on any surface). Especially in the "classics". If I did a great job of deciding that the 6th betting choice is better than the 4th betting choice, then I don't want to share "my" super pool with coverage dimers.

just my opinions, i could be off base

I don't think it's a bad opinion... for example I think the Derby super might have paid significantly (~15%?) less if they had dime supers.

[Alan07]

There are no dime supers at Pimlico

[2MinsToPost]

Agree 100% they have their place and it is not on big days like the Triple Crown, Breeders Cup etc etc.. For one you have so much money rolling thru the windows that the last thing these folks should be worried about is increasing handle with dime supers. They basically will just clog the lines with inexperienced players confusing tellers on one of the busiest four days in racing.

I totally agree with you as well on the idea of just having them on races such as Claiming and MSW. I think tracks should have two of them per card, it really is not necessary to have one for every race.

[Travis Stone]

Dime supers have a tendency to hurt other pools and the tracks overall handle.

With a dime super, a person will take $10 and spend $2.40 on the four horse box at a few difference tracks. Without dime supers, they often take the $10 and spend it at the home track instead.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Dime supers have a tendency to hurt other pools and the tracks overall handle.

With a dime super, a person will take $10 and spend $2.40 on the four horse box at a few difference tracks. Without dime supers, they often take the $10 and spend it at the home track instead.

Yeah, but that's the home track's fault for not having dime supers.

There isn't much to base an argument one way or another on, but I feel like people are just looking at the decreased ticket prices and saying it hurts handle, and not factoring in new players who wouldn't have played the super AT ALL were it not available for $.10.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Dime supers have a tendency to hurt other pools and the tracks overall handle.

With a dime super, a person will take $10 and spend $2.40 on the four horse box at a few difference tracks. Without dime supers, they often take the $10 and spend it at the home track instead.

You are too young to remember but tracks in CA used to say the same thing about "exotic" wagers. They used to have a $5 min on many of the "exotic" bets like exacta's. We see how that's worked out.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Dime supers have a tendency to hurt other pools and the tracks overall handle.

With a dime super, a person will take $10 and spend $2.40 on the four horse box at a few difference tracks. Without dime supers, they often take the $10 and spend it at the home track instead.

we covered this before, there is no way to back that up and it doesn't make any sense. why base your wagering menu on a few geezers walking around with $10 to wager? even if you succeeded in capturing the full $10 from all these people by not offering the dime super (which I dont believe is possible), do all those $10 add up to more than you lose from the ADW people that like the dime supers but go elsewhere cause you don't offer it? or how about the $10 players who stay home because they came to the track specically to play them?