What Smarty Jones faced in 2004 & what Big Brown faces on Saturday....the difference?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Best jock in the world? Isnt this the same guy who had to leave California to get a mount?

He's also the same guy who blew the Triple Crown with Real Quiet when he sent that one after Grand Slam and Chilito, two horses that could only have won the Belmont as part of a relay team, at the three eighths pole.

A very wise man once told me that Kent rode that race like he just wanted to get it over with. Of course, it took one of the all time great rides by Gary Stevens to beat him.

[PPerfectfan]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He's also the same guy who blew the Triple Crown with Real Quiet when he sent that one after Grand Slam and Chilito, two horses that could only have won the Belmont as part of a relay team, at the three eighths pole.

A very wise man once told me that Kent rode that race like he just wanted to get it over with. Of course, it took one of the all time great rides by Gary Stevens to beat him.

And the same jock that cost Kotoshan the Japan Turf cause he still couldnt find the finish line after being called into the stewards office after misjudging it twice before???? yeah he is realllllll smart.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by PPerfectfan

And the same jock that cost Kotoshan the Japan Turf cause he still couldnt find the finish line after being called into the stewards office after misjudging it twice before???? yeah he is realllllll smart.

And misjudged it at Keeneland again last year.

The problem with Desormeaux is that he is a really talented rider....and way too often rides poorly.

[Bobby Fischer]

im just saying , smarty was a nice story. Had a trainer who is a real good horseman and a rehabillitated jockey out to prove second chances really do make good..

this here with Brown is the best that money can buy.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by PPerfectfan

And the same jock that cost Kotoshan the Japan Turf cause he still couldnt find the finish line after being called into the stewards office after misjudging it twice before???? yeah he is realllllll smart.

Kotashaan or Kostroma?

[the_fat_man]

Kent is definitely an enigma. There are things he does much better than the other jocks and his comments on pace show a relatively high level understanding of it. Then again, some of his poor rides are about as bad as any I've ever seen or imagined.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He's also the same guy who blew the Triple Crown with Real Quiet when he sent that one after Grand Slam and Chilito, two horses that could only have won the Belmont as part of a relay team, at the three eighths pole.

A very wise man once told me that Kent rode that race like he just wanted to get it over with. Of course, it took one of the all time great rides by Gary Stevens to beat him.

I may be mis-remembering, but didn't desormeax make quite early moves with Real Quiet in both the KY Derby and Preakness and get away with it?? I'm almost certain at least the Derby was a very early move. Wasn't he just repeating what worked in the first two legs?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I may be mis-remembering, but didn't desormeax make quite early moves with Real Quiet in both the KY Derby and Preakness and get away with it?? I'm almost certain at least the Derby was a very early move. Wasn't he just repeating what worked in the first two legs?

His ride on Medaglia D'oro wasn't much better, he should have won that year also. At 18-17/1 if my memory serves me correct.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by CSC

His ride on Medaglia D'oro wasn't much better, he should have won that year also. At 18-17/1 if my memory serves me correct.

Yes, he should have won going 12furlongs on a horse that was 1-6 beyond 9f and the one in which he did win was in the slop against a horse coming back from a 180+ layoff.

Kent did nothing wrong on MDO. The horse simply didnt want to go that far that fast.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Yes, he should have won going 12furlongs on a horse that was 1-6 beyond 9f and the one in which he did win was in the slop against a horse coming back from a 180+ layoff.

Kent did nothing wrong on MDO. The horse simply didnt want to go that far that fast.

I disagree, as per Kent D 's weakness at times he moved early and got caught on the inside of Sarava on a track that doesn't favor being on the inside. Run the race 3 times, and In my opinion Sarava is not a better horse than Medaglia Doro.

A little perpective about Medaglia Doro's record over 9 furlongs, once you throw out the derby (which he pretty much was wiped out at the start but still finished 4th) and preakness, he finished 2nd to Candy Ride in the Pacific Classic in a race run in 1:59 to a horse that earned a 121 beyer, he finished second in the BC to Pleasantly Perfect while contesting a hot pace with Congaree, and he narrowly got beaten in the Dubai World Cup to Pleasantly Perfect by 3/4 of a lengths. Yes you are correct in that 1-6 stat, but let's be Realistic he was running against some awfully nice horses, in some very tough races.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by CSC

I disagree, as per Kent D 's weakness at times he moved early and got caught on the inside of Sarava on a track that doesn't favor being on the inside. Run the race 3 times, and In my opinion Sarava is not a better horse than Medaglia Doro.

A little perpective about Medaglia Doro's record over 9 furlongs, once you throw out the derby (which he pretty much was wiped out at the start but still finished 4th) and preakness, he finished 2nd to Candy Ride in the Pacific Classic in a race run in 1:59 to a horse that earned a 121 beyer, he finished second in the BC to Pleasantly Perfect while contesting a hot pace with Congaree, and he narrowly got beaten in the Dubai World Cup to Pleasantly Perfect by 3/4 of a lengths. Yes you are correct in that 1-6 stat, but let's be Realistic he was running against some awfully nice horses, in some very tough races.

CSC I think you need to go over to Youtube and watch the race again. MDO's running style was being up and on the lead. War Emblem made the early move inside so he moved to repulse the bid. He kept MDO in the 2-3 path the whole way. The only reason Sarava was on the outside is because he was the 12 horse and Edgar kept him outside. Im reasonably sure that most any jockey would not be worried about the 70-1 shot on the outside. Kent rode to instructions and Frankel said after the race there was no problem with the ride. The only reason he lost the mount was because Frankel kept MDO at Saratoga for the summer and Bailey was his Go to Guy on the east coast.

As far as being 1-6, you want me to throw out half the races with lame excuses. In his second to Candy Ride, he got smoked and he finished second because it was a four horse field. He finished second to PP twice. Yes another nice horse but i dont think as good as MDO up to 9f. I think MDO only lost one race up to 9f (the wood).

So what do the numbers tell me? Without subjectively picking your way through, MDO was a horse that was great up 9f and not great beyond.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

CSC I think you need to go over to Youtube and watch the race again. MDO's running style was being up and on the lead. War Emblem made the early move inside so he moved to repulse the bid. He kept MDO in the 2-3 path the whole way. The only reason Sarava was on the outside is because he was the 12 horse and Edgar kept him outside. Im reasonably sure that most any jockey would not be worried about the 70-1 shot on the outside. Kent rode to instructions and Frankel said after the race there was no problem with the ride. The only reason he lost the mount was because Frankel kept MDO at Saratoga for the summer and Bailey was his Go to Guy on the east coast.

As far as being 1-6, you want me to throw out half the races with lame excuses. In his second to Candy Ride, he got smoked and he finished second because it was a four horse field. He finished second to PP twice. Yes another nice horse but i dont think as good as MDO up to 9f. I think MDO only lost one race up to 9f (the wood).

So what do the numbers tell me? Without subjectively picking your way through, MDO was a horse that was great up 9f and not great beyond.

I respectively disagree. I will concede one part he was probably at his best at 1 1 /8. However that doesn't mean he couldn't get 1 1/4 or he shouldn't have won the Belmont.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I don't agree about Kent D blowing the ride in the Belmont, but this is silly. He ran his eyeballs out that day and lost to a horse, who if healthy might have been something real special. Go back and take a look at Candy Ride's races. No shame in running second to him.

Don't take this the wrong way but you don't actually read/take seriously the trip comments on this board do you?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I don't agree about Kent D blowing the ride in the Belmont, but this is silly. He ran his eyeballs out that day and lost to a horse, who if healthy might have been something real special. Go back and take a look at Candy Ride's races. No shame in running second to him.

No shame in that at all. Candy ride was Ghostzapper talented. but MDO got smoked that day.

[CSC]

Here is the replay of the 2002 Belmont. Yep Medaglia Doro sure packs it in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYcdUcjQNu4

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by CSC

Here is the replay of the 2002 Belmont. Yep Medaglia Doro sure packs it in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYcdUcjQNu4

That horse NEVER packed it in and no one said he did. He just couldnt get it done.

[dalakhani]

[quote=CSC]I disagree, as per Kent D 's weakness at times he moved early and got caught on the inside of Sarava on a track that doesn't favor being on the inside. Run the race 3 times, and In my opinion Sarava is not a better horse than Medaglia Doro.

QUOTE]

How do you know if it didnt favor being on the inside THAT DAY? That changes day to day. Sometimes the rail is dead and sometimes it isnt. If Kent is an idiot for being inside so were 3/4 of the other jockeys in that field including Victor who made his move on War Emblem to the inside.

Of course MDO was a better horse than Sarava and no one would ever question that. But on that day at 12f? Sarava had it his way although it might even be fair to say that MDO ran a better race.

[Travis Stone]

Juding the field Smarty Jones faced is infinitely easier after the race. It's tough to pass judgment on this group until we see them shake-out down the road. As of right now, they aren't turning heads, but things change.

[Scav]

If this means anything, Jerry Brown of Thorograph has a $25 bet with a TG board member on who hits the finish line first, the member has Big Brown, and Jerry Brown has ANAK NAKAL