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[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by pgiaco

He'd be in trouble if he got bute. Not permitted race day in NY.

Actually, semantics are being argued here. Horses can run on bute in NY just as elsewhere (curiously this does not show up in the DRF PP's like it does from other states). But, like other states, the administration has to be done 24 hours prior to post, not on raceday.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Actually, semantics are being argued here. Horses can run on bute in NY just as elsewhere (curiously this does not show up in the DRF PP's like it does from other states). But, like other states, the administration has to be done 24 hours prior to post, not on raceday.

Yes, that is exactly right. The rules are pretty much the same now in most states if not every state. They are allowed to get bute the day before the race. As you said, I have no idea why they denote it differently in the Racing Form for certain states. The rules with regard to bute are the same in California, New York, Kentucky, etc.

[ELA]

The denotation of bute in the DRF is for race-day bute only -- correct Chuck? Andy? Is NY 24 hours out?

I don't race in CA, but I was under the impression that CA allows race-day bute, which in fact would be very different than NY.

Fortunately, I don't have to worry about any of this, LOL.

Eric

[freddymo]

I have never tried bute is it fun?

[TheSpyder]

It's just like Ludes

Originally Posted by freddymo

I have never tried bute is it fun?

[knickslions2]

By the time the race goes off I'll be just about embalmed with beer. I guess I'll have to stick with Brown.

[ELA]

Got it -- thanks. So it looks like the difference is merely in the reporting requirements.

Eric

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I have never tried bute is it fun?

no

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by ELA

The denotation of bute in the DRF is for race-day bute only -- correct Chuck? Andy? Is NY 24 hours out?

I don't race in CA, but I was under the impression that CA allows race-day bute, which in fact would be very different than NY.

Fortunately, I don't have to worry about any of this, LOL.

Eric

It can be in the horse's system on race day at certain levels. But the administration has to be no later than 24 hrs prior to post time. It cannot be given race-day.

The difference in denotation may simply be that in CA the trainer is obligated to announce the administration of the drug to the state veterinarian (for the purposes of post-race testing). In the event that a trainer fails to report it, and the horse gets tested, and is found to have acceptable levels of Bute in its system, the trainer is subject to being fined even though the horse was given Bute by the rules.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

It can be in the horse's system on race day at certain levels. But the administration has to be no later than 24 hrs prior to post time. It cannot be given race-day.

The difference in denotation may simply be that in CA the trainer is obligated to announce the administration of the drug to the state veterinarian (for the purposes of post-race testing). In the event that a trainer fails to report it, and the horse gets tested, and is found to have acceptable levels of Bute in its system, the trainer is subject to being fined even though the horse was given Bute by the rules.

Yes, I got that. I was referring to treatment/administration.

As far as your second paragraph, when you said "may simply" -- I don't know about that. Like I said, I don't race in CA, but Chuck might be able to answer the question, or someone who plays and knows CA racing intimately. If not, I can easily call a trainer friend of mine. He's been bugging me to claim one out there, LOL.

I wish I remembered who/where someone told me CA is race-day bute (meaning treatment/administration). If it's just reporting, and it's still X hours/days out, OK.

Eric

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by ELA

Yes, I got that. I was referring to treatment/administration.

The first paragraph you bolded was referring to the rules in CA.

The rule in CA is Bute (or other non-steroidal) must be given no later than 24 hrs prior to post. Just like NY (and KY if you read Rupert's post earlier).

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ELA

Yes, I got that. I was referring to treatment/administration.

As far as your second paragraph, when you said "may simply" -- I don't know about that. Like I said, I don't race in CA, but Chuck might be able to answer the question, or someone who plays and knows CA racing intimately. If not, I can easily call a trainer friend of mine. He's been bugging me to claim one out there, LOL.

I wish I remembered who/where someone told me CA is race-day bute (meaning treatment/administration). If it's just reporting, and it's still X hours/days out, OK.

Eric

I have been racing horses in California for over 20 years. There is no race day bute. The only thing you can give on race day is lasix. The rule is the same out here in California as it is in New York.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ELA

Yes, I got that. I was referring to treatment/administration.

As far as your second paragraph, when you said "may simply" -- I don't know about that. Like I said, I don't race in CA, but Chuck might be able to answer the question, or someone who plays and knows CA racing intimately. If not, I can easily call a trainer friend of mine. He's been bugging me to claim one out there, LOL.

I wish I remembered who/where someone told me CA is race-day bute (meaning treatment/administration). If it's just reporting, and it's still X hours/days out, OK.

Eric

Rollo is 100% correct.