Derby Trail Forums

Go Back   Derby Trail Forums > Sports Bar & Grill
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 06-02-2008, 08:12 PM
Cannon Shell's Avatar
Cannon Shell Cannon Shell is offline
Sha Tin
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 20,855
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV
The Angels still have some pitchers in the bull pin and are young enough to run the bases.

The Dodgers just dont have the farm system to feed the club like the O"Malleys did.

The Dodgers future is just a .500 ball club and they will still draw 3 million.
Are you kidding? The Dodgers have the best farm system in baseball. What other team can match Kemp, Loney, De Witt, Billingsley, La Roche, Kershaw, Ethier, Broxton, Martin, Kuo, Hu, etc.

Coming into the season they had 3 five star prospects, a four star and 7 three star prospects. Management has made some screw ups in signing free agents but the farm system is producing. I dont think they have enough power and if Penny doesnt turn it around they dont have a number one starter which probably means they will fall short this year but they have a lot of talent .
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 06-02-2008, 11:21 PM
SCUDSBROTHER's Avatar
SCUDSBROTHER SCUDSBROTHER is offline
Flemington
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: L.A.
Posts: 11,326
Default

Kemp hit a home run and 2 doubles tonight. Kent homered. I think Ethier, too.Folks they need to face bad pitching, or else they just can't hit. That is the story. The talent only shows up against bad pitchers. It's not a coincidence that they just got their asses kicked by the Cards, Cubs, and Mets. Those are contenders, and they can't compete with contenders like that. They just can not hit against them. They aren't getting better at it, either. It's so obvious when they face a bad pitcher like tonight. It's like such a relief for them. So, yes, the farm club is producing a lot of well thought of players, but virtually none of them have the ability to hit quality major league pitching. They just can't do it. They have 8 runs tonight, and if a decent pitcher was against them, then it would only be 1 run. It's like the best Triple A minor league team ever put together.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 06-03-2008, 02:53 PM
Cannon Shell's Avatar
Cannon Shell Cannon Shell is offline
Sha Tin
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 20,855
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Kemp hit a home run and 2 doubles tonight. Kent homered. I think Ethier, too.Folks they need to face bad pitching, or else they just can't hit. That is the story. The talent only shows up against bad pitchers. It's not a coincidence that they just got their asses kicked by the Cards, Cubs, and Mets. Those are contenders, and they can't compete with contenders like that. They just can not hit against them. They aren't getting better at it, either. It's so obvious when they face a bad pitcher like tonight. It's like such a relief for them. So, yes, the farm club is producing a lot of well thought of players, but virtually none of them have the ability to hit quality major league pitching. They just can't do it. They have 8 runs tonight, and if a decent pitcher was against them, then it would only be 1 run. It's like the best Triple A minor league team ever put together.
you are insane but that doesnt mean i dont like you.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 06-03-2008, 03:28 PM
SCUDSBROTHER's Avatar
SCUDSBROTHER SCUDSBROTHER is offline
Flemington
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: L.A.
Posts: 11,326
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
you are insane but that doesnt mean i dont like you.
If you saw Kemp's at bats against good pitchers you'd see he is their bitch. He has a decent average because he can hit bad pitchers. If any of thosehits were very impactful, then they wouldn't have loss all those close games on that road trip. I'd say Ethier and Martin are better hitters (as far as hitting against good pitching.) This is certainly not the sharpest thing in the drawer. So, I don't know if he will ever be able to hit good pitching. Swings at a lot of crap (flails away at it.)
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 06-03-2008, 03:49 PM
Cannon Shell's Avatar
Cannon Shell Cannon Shell is offline
Sha Tin
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 20,855
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
If you saw Kemp's at bats against good pitchers you'd see he is their bitch. He has a decent average because he can hit bad pitchers. If any of thosehits were very impactful, then they wouldn't have loss all those close games on that road trip. I'd say Ethier and Martin are better hitters (as far as hitting against good pitching.) This is certainly not the sharpest thing in the drawer. So, I don't know if he will ever be able to hit good pitching. Swings at a lot of crap (flails away at it.)
He seems to have trouble with the breaking stuff but he is still pretty green
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-03-2008, 04:16 PM
SCUDSBROTHER's Avatar
SCUDSBROTHER SCUDSBROTHER is offline
Flemington
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: L.A.
Posts: 11,326
Default

You've trained horses that are smarter.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 06-03-2008, 05:44 PM
Cannon Shell's Avatar
Cannon Shell Cannon Shell is offline
Sha Tin
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 20,855
Default

I've trained horses that couldnt hit the curveball too. I think I trained a horse named Curveball.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06-04-2008, 09:05 PM
2Hot4TV's Avatar
2Hot4TV 2Hot4TV is offline
Oaklawn
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Glendora
Posts: 2,342
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Are you kidding? The Dodgers have the best farm system in baseball. What other team can match Kemp, Loney, De Witt, Billingsley, La Roche, Kershaw, Ethier, Broxton, Martin, Kuo, Hu, etc.

Coming into the season they had 3 five star prospects, a four star and 7 three star prospects. Management has made some screw ups in signing free agents but the farm system is producing. I dont think they have enough power and if Penny doesnt turn it around they dont have a number one starter which probably means they will fall short this year but they have a lot of talent .
Where are the pitchers???????? You can buy some, but you have to produce some from your farms to compete. You may see stars, but I see a .500 ball club, same as the year before.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 06-04-2008, 09:48 PM
SCUDSBROTHER's Avatar
SCUDSBROTHER SCUDSBROTHER is offline
Flemington
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: L.A.
Posts: 11,326
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV
Where are the pitchers???????? You can buy some, but you have to produce some from your farms to compete. You may see stars, but I see a .500 ball club, same as the year before.
Other than Broxton being a woman in every other appearance, the pitching has been good enough. They just do not hit well. Look at Kemp striking out 5 times since he had a good night on Monday. **** got to stop.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 06-04-2008, 09:57 PM
Cannon Shell's Avatar
Cannon Shell Cannon Shell is offline
Sha Tin
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 20,855
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV
Where are the pitchers???????? You can buy some, but you have to produce some from your farms to compete. You may see stars, but I see a .500 ball club, same as the year before.
Billingsley (23), kershaw(20), Broxton(23), Kuo(26)...

No offense but I dont think you know what you are watching. All, except La Roche who has been injured, the guys I mentioned before have seen big league action this year and many are starters. All except Ethier and Kuo are 24 or under. You implied that their farm system was somehow inept or not producing which is absolutely incorrect. The pitchers that have fell through this year namely Penny and Lowe arent products of the farm system. They have some holes that need to be fixed but in 2 or 3 years when these guys are reaching their prime several may be all stars.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 06-05-2008, 06:50 AM
2Hot4TV's Avatar
2Hot4TV 2Hot4TV is offline
Oaklawn
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Glendora
Posts: 2,342
Default

Explain the long trend of .500 ball?
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 06-05-2008, 10:11 AM
Cannon Shell's Avatar
Cannon Shell Cannon Shell is offline
Sha Tin
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 20,855
Default

since 1996 the Dodgers have won 92, 88, 83, 77, 86, 86, 92, 85, 93, 71, 88, 82. The reason that they have not been able to get over the hump is poor decisions by the front office on Free Agents to supplement the farm system. The recent signings of Juan Pierre, Jason Schmidt and Andruw Jones are perfect examples. They have made a few good moves like Kent but they have screwed up way more than they havent. Hell i dont even like the Dodgers but you cant say they dont do a good job finding and developing talent. If they can rid themselves of Jones, Pierre, and the rest of the deadwood they are positioned be a force for the next few years.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 06-05-2008, 02:19 PM
SCUDSBROTHER's Avatar
SCUDSBROTHER SCUDSBROTHER is offline
Flemington
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: L.A.
Posts: 11,326
Default

I don't think it's easy to predict what free agents are gunna do for you. What I do think is easy to do is to determine what free agents are worth. For instance, the signing of Schmidt was poor value (decaying , and Frisco new it.) Garciaparra was so hurt he couldn't help the team at all in the 2006 playoffs. So, why would you think the next 2 years would be better? ( as far as his injuries go.) So, I couldn't believe they gave him 10 mil a year for each of the the next 2 years. That was predictably gunna be pissin' money away. Andruw J was showing definite signs of decaying skills, but they gave him a mint. This is not an organization that has any luck getting free agents to hit home runs. You can wonder all day long why that happens, but it does. Pierre is simply non-impactful, but gets 9-10 mil a year for being non-impactful. Then, you have some very bad luck mixed in. That would be the injuries last year( and this year right now) to Furcal. When he is healthy, that's a really good player,and more importantly, a team player. Maybe those injuries were predictable as well. I don't know, but I do think he is the only one worth the money he gets paid. Kent has been a band-aid the whole time. Not the worst signing, but not really a "winning" type signing. His skills were decaying (Houston could see it, and this organization evidently thought they knew better...ha,ha!) I think the "kids" have either got minor league skills(Kemp, Loney,) or aren't strong enough mentally to take advantage of their hi-end skills(Billingsley, Broxton.) Ethier, Martin, and Kuo are probably the 3 that have the talent to play at the level, and they aren't stand-outs(just good players.) If Ethier and Martin were stand-outs, then the Dodgers wouldn't be scoring 1 run a game. Then, you throw in that fact that there is so much free horny ***** here, and you have a lot of distraction. What Dodger youngin' hasn't ALYSSA MILANO given it up to? If they ain't doing her together, then they are doing her a couple hours apart.
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:12 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.