Zenyatta- 103 Beyer

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

On what basis are you possibly coming up with that? The mess of a track just as likely hurt her as it helped her. She'd run some big races when she was on fast dirt tracks.

no doubt the track moved her up that day, that was her biggest 2 turn race ever, several other front running horses ran out of their eyeballs that day. she has run nothing like that race before or after. same as Hard Spun, War Pass and Indian Blessing.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

no doubt the track moved her up that day, that was her biggest 2 turn race ever, several other front running horses ran out of their eyeballs that day. she has run nothing like that race before or after. same as Hard Spun, War Pass and Indian Blessing.

Might want to look up her PPs, Jim.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Might want to look up her PPs, Jim.

you know i have, what is your point?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

you know i have, what is your point?

Aside from her close defeat in the BC, Hystericalady has lost just once (a race she emerged out of with injury) going two turns on conventional dirt. All other races under those conditions have been victories, all by open lengths, including one versus males. I think her Hollywood Oaks victory, numberswise, was the fastest two turn race by a 3yo filly in 2006.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

you know i have, what is your point?

What they said

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

What they said

okay then. if she ever runs in another 9 furlong Gr1 i think there will be some surprised people. she has never run a race that fast early, middle, and late. her other good numbers were produced by more favorable set-ups. everything in her pp's tells me that she should have been slowing down much more at Monmouth in the late stages. but like I said she wasn't the only one that never slowed down that day.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

okay then. if she ever runs in another 9 furlong Gr1 i think there will be some surprised people. she has never run a race that fast early, middle, and late. her other good numbers were produced by more favorable set-ups. everything in her pp's tells me that she should have been slowing down much more at Monmouth in the late stages. but like I said she wasn't the only one that never slowed down that day.

The difference with those other frontrunners that held on (Indian Blessing, War Pass, Gotcha Gold, Hard Spun) was that they had things their own way in the early part of the race. Hystericalady broke from the outside post, dueled throughout, and still held sway. If it was solely the track that kept her going the whole time, and not her talent, then I wonder why other seemingly outclassed horses like Hard Spun and Gotcha Gold didn't make much more noise at the finish with more favorablel setups than their rather modest distant 2nd place finishes.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

The difference with those other frontrunners that held on (Indian Blessing, War Pass, Gotcha Gold, Hard Spun) was that they had things their own way in the early part of the race. Hystericalady broke from the outside post, dueled throughout, and still held sway. If it was solely the track that kept her going the whole time, and not her talent, then I wonder why other seemingly outclassed horses like Hard Spun and Gotcha Gold didn't make much more noise at the finish with more favorablel setups than their rather modest distant 2nd place finishes.

i agree with this and don't claim it was solely the track, but I'm still suspicious of the outcome.

Hard Spun made about as much noise as one could expect, look at how he demolished Street Sense. What made Hard Spun suddenly become this beast that could run 10 furlongs and laugh at Street Sense?

Why wasn't Pyro able to close into those insane fractions and threaten War Pass like he did in the Champagne? As we now know War Pass had distance limitations which certanly weren't evident that day. An example is the Wood where War Pass again ran insane fractions but slowed to a crawl which allowed a horse less talented than Pyro to get by him.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

She ran a 110 Beyer as a 3 year old in the Hollywood Oaks, it was a monster effort. Last year she ran a 105 at Bay meadows against males and a 105 in the Molly Pitcher. All 3 efforts on fast tracks.

what was her beyer in the distaff?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

what was her beyer in the distaff?

104 which I believe was her worst dirt figure of the year and her only run in the slop.