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06-01-2008, 11:14 PM
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Why is it hard to fold now? They're not committed at all. And if it's not the surface then the horse is either hurt or he's MUCH worse than lots of people (including me) thought. The fact that they skipped the Preakness should have no bearing on their decision now. It's water under the bridge - now they can either run the horse back on the poly and risk wasting another race (and probably decreasing the value of the horse) - or they can go to the Dwyer and then point to either the Travers or Haskell. There's no reason whatsoever why they can't switch plans and go the Dwyer - which is the much better option - at this point. It's not like they haven't messed around with his schedule before (see Preakness, Ohio Derby).
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06-01-2008, 11:20 PM
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Running him in the Plate would be absolutely insane and is extremely unlikely.
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Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
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06-01-2008, 11:21 PM
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Thank you.
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06-01-2008, 11:27 PM
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We can speculate the why's all night long, it can be one of many or a combination of 2 or more or all factors why a horse would run badly. To me this was one just one failed prep. The mistake if there is one was missing the Preakness, we will just have to wait and see what Pletcher does and whether Stronach will listen.
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06-01-2008, 11:58 PM
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It's easier for me to accept a dislike for a track when I see a good horse run below form but still at least put up an effort. I didn't see an effort out there from him. Real good horses can win on tracks they don't really like or at least they can show up and try. I could be way off here and I'm sure some of the usual suspects will chime in to tell me that I am, but I don't think it was the track.
Question to those that think he just didn't like the track. If Big Brown were in that race today and completely hated the track, do you think he would have finished off the board or do you think his talent advantage would have kept him in the picture? I can't see him off the board in that race today no matter what he thought of the track.
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06-01-2008, 11:59 PM
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You are way off.
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06-02-2008, 08:33 AM
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06-02-2008, 10:15 AM
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He's clearly a very talented horse, his previous two races showed that, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have limitations. It would be nice to have a strong handle on what those limitations are. Running him in the Queen's Plate based on yesterday's race makes no sense.
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Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
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06-02-2008, 10:56 AM
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I think Big Brown, or any horse for that matter, could potentionally have run just as bad as Harlem Rocker did if he trained exclusively on dirt then raced on poly for the first time. This is not an avenue for success. If they really wanted to win the Queens Plate in my view they should have stabled him at Woodbine and had him working over the track for a good length of time prior to the trial. If I'm not mistaken he was working at Saratoga or Belmont.
Now they are forced to go back to dirt but I think he will need some time coming out of that race. It was a set back imo.
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06-02-2008, 11:00 AM
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I think there's enough evidence to be able to draw some conclusions about Harlem Rocker.
It's unfortunate that the headon replay on CALRACING only runs to midway through the backstretch and we're not able to see the stretch run but I think we can proceed nonetheless. Now, I don't really pay much attention to what the connections have to say about a horse's preference for a particular course. It's really easy enough to see for myself whether a horse liked the course or not. For example, Proud Spell, at KEE, DID NOT like the poly. It's EVIDENT. Her footwork is off and her stride is terrible. I Lost My Choo and Equitable also didn't appreciate the footing in their last races at KEE, as well. Poor footwork, in both cases. I didn't see poor footwork in the case of HR. He's on the correct lead during the different sections of the race. His footwork was significantly better than it was in the Withers. Moreover, he drafts nicely on the backstretch and makes a nice move to 3rd on the turn. He just doesn't finish with these horses. He got worked over pretty good in the stretch of the Withers and also didn't finish as straight as one would want. Time will tell about this horse but he really needs to SHOW me that he can run a little bit before I overestimate his ability or try to explain why he didn't perform.
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