Chop Chop moves tack to SoCal

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

He's young and improving every day.



Isn't your argument pro-east coast? Then why would you backpedal and say front and center is how many mounts you get, not win? Seriously you don't have to win an argument everytime. You can admit you're wrong from time to time.

Gryder is having an absolutely horrible meet at Del Mar. He's winning at about an 8% clip in a depleted jockey colony.

How does me saying that come away from what i originally said? Gryder won at a 10% clip at Santa Anita this spring as well and he did so with over 300 mounts. That is doing much better than he did out east.

What is their to admit? Do you even have a point?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

How does me saying that come away from what i originally said? Gryder won at a 10% clip at Santa Anita this spring as well and he did so with over 300 mounts. That is doing much better than he did out east.

What is their to admit? Do you even have a point?

Yeah I have a point.

About Gryder...

Between 1998 and 2001, he won four riding titles at Aqueduct, three of them at the inner-track meets. In 1998-’99, he took the title with 53 wins despite missing the last six weeks of the meet due to injuries from a spill. He repeated in the 1999-2000 meet with 94 wins, 32 more than his nearest competitor.

I can't find any stats for him at Belmont and Saratoga but it seems to me like Gryder was one of the top 10 jocks in New York and now is about 10th in California. I'm going to be fair about this and call it a wash.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Yeah I have a point.

About Gryder...

Between 1998 and 2001, he won four riding titles at Aqueduct, three of them at the inner-track meets. In 1998-’99, he took the title with 53 wins despite missing the last six weeks of the meet due to injuries from a spill. He repeated in the 1999-2000 meet with 94 wins, 32 more than his nearest competitor.

I can't find any stats for him at Belmont and Saratoga but it seems to me like Gryder was one of the top 10 jocks in New York and now is about 10th in California. I'm going to be fair about this and call it a wash.

Now there are some misleading stats. If you know anything about NY racing, all of the good jocks are down in gulfstream during the "frozen dirt" meeting at Aqueduct. When they open the big track, half of them are travelling between gulfstream, ny and kentucky.

Winning a Frozen Track meet in NY is akin to winning the riding title at Fairplex. Arroyo has also won a couple of titles there.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Now there are some misleading stats. If you know anything about NY racing, all of the good jocks are down in gulfstream during the "frozen dirt" meeting at Aqueduct. When they open the big track, half of them are travelling between gulfstream, ny and kentucky.

Winning a Frozen Track meet in NY is akin to winning the riding title at Fairplex. Arroyo has also won a couple of titles there.

Then throw out the Hollywood meet in California which most of the top jocks in Cali cut back their mounts. Gryder still finished 10th.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Yeah I have a point.

About Gryder...

Between 1998 and 2001, he won four riding titles at Aqueduct, three of them at the inner-track meets. In 1998-’99, he took the title with 53 wins despite missing the last six weeks of the meet due to injuries from a spill. He repeated in the 1999-2000 meet with 94 wins, 32 more than his nearest competitor.

I can't find any stats for him at Belmont and Saratoga but it seems to me like Gryder was one of the top 10 jocks in New York and now is about 10th in California. I'm going to be fair about this and call it a wash.

During the period when Gryder was doing really well in New York, he did well at the big meets too. I don't know if he ever was leading rider at Belmont but he definitely came in the top 5 a few times. I think he even did better than that. I think he finished 2nd or 3rd a few times.