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Old 05-27-2008, 11:52 AM
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Yeah, I can't believe this nonsense. "That's too low for the Met".. "Raise it".. "Wait, that's too high for Manteca".. "Uh, lower it"..

So the track started out slow, somehow got faster in between the second and third races, then got slow again?
Agreed... if the number sucked, the number sucked. It's certainly reasonable to be bad, as nobody did any running late, obviously. Why sugarcoat it?
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Old 05-27-2008, 12:25 PM
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Well there were big gaps between the dirt races. . .
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Old 05-27-2008, 02:24 PM
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The 109 was for the first 6 furlongs. Beyer split the variant on the last quarter.

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Old 05-27-2008, 04:09 PM
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Well there were big gaps between the dirt races. . .
I don't know if you're being sarcastic, but they ran the second and third races back to back, on dirt at a mile. I'd be interested to see what BSF's those races got. Manteca ran 2.76 seconds faster than Emotival, which should give him a way bigger figure. If those two are in line with the Met, then Manteca should get around a 103 and Emotival about a 70 or so, no?

It depends on what you do with the sixth. I don't know how you'd translate that 1:20.57 to a mile, but the winning BSF of that race should've been high 50's/low 60's.
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Old 05-27-2008, 04:20 PM
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Considering First Defence's immense talent I can't understand how the race got below a 130.
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Old 05-27-2008, 04:25 PM
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I don't know if you're being sarcastic, but they ran the second and third races back to back, on dirt at a mile. I'd be interested to see what BSF's those races got. Manteca ran 2.76 seconds faster than Emotival, which should give him a way bigger figure. If those two are in line with the Met, then Manteca should get around a 103 and Emotival about a 70 or so, no?

It depends on what you do with the sixth. I don't know how you'd translate that 1:20.57 to a mile, but the winning BSF of that race should've been high 50's/low 60's.
From Crist's blog:

"The extremely strong pace and dull surface led to a slow final time of 1:36.91 and very slow final quarter of 27.30 off a pace of 1:09.61. There were only four dirt races at Belmont Monday, three of them at a mile, but it was nearly four hours between the Met and the previous one-mile races. The final times of the three mile races are very hard to fit together because the first two were slow-paced events, but they make a little more sense if you look at both the six-furlong splits and the final times:

Race 2 (maiden claimers): 1:12.84/1:40.19
Race 3 (statebred Alw N1x): 1:11.77/1:37.43
Race 10 (Metropolitan H.): 1:09.61/1:36.91

Think of it this way: While the final time of the statebred N1x was only three lengths (5-6 Beyer points at a mile) slower than the Met, it was 13 lengths slower (33-34 Beyer points at six furlongs) slower to the six-furlong call."
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