Big Brown has Quarter Crack

[Strategic Mission]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I doubt they'll retire him, but he'll probably need some time off.

And LOL at Casino Drive.

LOL should be for your ridiculous belief that they won't retire him. This is IEAH. The value of the horse can only go down by racing. He can win every race the rest of the year and his value won't increase. He has soundness issues and keeping him around for the fall isn't going to make any breeder forget that.

As for Casino Drive, you really should start referring to him as the Belmont winner Casino Drive. You are going to see a romp in the Belmont, just not from Big Brown.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Strategic Mission

LOL should be for your ridiculous belief that they won't retire him. This is IEAH. The value of the horse can only go down by racing. He can win every race the rest of the year and his value won't increase. He has soundness issues and keeping him around for the fall isn't going to make any breeder forget that.

As for Casino Drive, you really should start referring to him as the Belmont winner Casino Drive. You are going to see a romp in the Belmont, just not from Big Brown.

altho i wouldn't be surprised if they retired him, they already have a deal with three chimneys, which allows ieah to run him thru years' end.

as for casino drive, i don't know why you have such a hard on for a two time starter, but i'd say your hype of a relative unknown is far more ridiculous than anyone else's doubts about his ability.

[King Glorious]

Anyone that doesn't believe that people who have entered into a $50 million contract to stand a horse next year have no say in what the current owners do with the horse this year are either naive or stupid. Or both.

[tiggerv]

Glad I got to see his last race

[Cannon Shell]

I first heard about this last night but simply didn't know if it was true so i didn't post.

First of all a quarter crack can be a real issue or it can be a minor issue depending on it's location, including which foot and the severity of the crack.
The toughest thing right now is how much training he has to miss as opposed to the actual injury. Again depending on where it is located you can train in a bar shoe and do just fine. A lot of times the biggest problem is an abcess developing underneath where the patch is located. Proper drainage of the area is critical and sometimes that takes some time, sometimes not.

Secondly, the horse's "value" to IEAH is set already. It can not go up or down because they have already have sold the breeding rights. I dont understand why people dont seem to get that. His stud fee is also pretty much set because it is based more on the exposure the farm has as opposed to what the horse does on the track from now on. If he were to win the Belmont, travers, and BC Classic they may be able to get a little more but if he gets beat in the Belmont they will still be looking for 100k. There may be a clause that the farm pays less if the horse gets beat but there may also be a clause that says the farm pays less if the horse doesnt compete in the Belmont as well.

[mclem10011]

For breaking down the quarter crack and how to treat it. I wasn't totally sure about all that was involved it's nice to have expert information.

[Strategic Mission]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I first heard about this last night but simply didn't know if it was true so i didn't post.

First of all a quarter crack can be a real issue or it can be a minor issue depending on it's location, including which foot and the severity of the crack.
The toughest thing right now is how much training he has to miss as opposed to the actual injury. Again depending on where it is located you can train in a bar shoe and do just fine. A lot of times the biggest problem is an abcess developing underneath where the patch is located. Proper drainage of the area is critical and sometimes that takes some time, sometimes not.

Secondly, the horse's "value" to IEAH is set already. It can not go up or down because they have already have sold the breeding rights. I dont understand why people dont seem to get that. His stud fee is also pretty much set because it is based more on the exposure the farm has as opposed to what the horse does on the track from now on. If he were to win the Belmont, travers, and BC Classic they may be able to get a little more but if he gets beat in the Belmont they will still be looking for 100k. There may be a clause that the farm pays less if the horse gets beat but there may also be a clause that says the farm pays less if the horse doesnt compete in the Belmont as well.

You would have to know the deal to make those statements. IEAH might still own a big chunk of the horse after he retires. If he loses to Casino Drive, good luck getting $100K with Curlin, Casino Drive, Street Sense, Hard Spun, and a few others new to the market.

If this horse lost this race, combined with his soundness issues, he would be nothing special. People want to breed to a TC winner, not an unsound horse that couldn't even get through the TC.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by Strategic Mission

You would have to know the deal to make those statements. IEAH might still own a big chunk of the horse after he retires. If he loses to Casino Drive, good luck getting $100K with Curlin, Casino Drive, Street Sense, Hard Spun, and a few others new to the market.

If this horse lost this race, combined with his soundness issues, he would be nothing special. People want to breed to a TC winner, not an unsound horse that couldn't even get through the TC.

AP Indy?

Fusaichi Pegasus?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Strategic Mission

You would have to know the deal to make those statements. IEAH might still own a big chunk of the horse after he retires. If he loses to Casino Drive, good luck getting $100K with Curlin, Casino Drive, Street Sense, Hard Spun, and a few others new to the market.

If this horse lost this race, combined with his soundness issues, he would be nothing special. People want to breed to a TC winner, not an unsound horse that couldn't even get through the TC.

What makes you so certain that people want to breed to a Mineshaft? Mineshaft has hardly been considered a success at stud so far.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Strategic Mission

You would have to know the deal to make those statements. IEAH might still own a big chunk of the horse after he retires. If he loses to Casino Drive, good luck getting $100K with Curlin, Casino Drive, Street Sense, Hard Spun, and a few others new to the market.

If this horse lost this race, combined with his soundness issues, he would be nothing special. People want to breed to a TC winner, not an unsound horse that couldn't even get through the TC.

Thanks Mr. Tesio

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Strategic Mission

You would have to know the deal to make those statements. IEAH might still own a big chunk of the horse after he retires. If he loses to Casino Drive, good luck getting $100K with Curlin, Casino Drive, Street Sense, Hard Spun, and a few others new to the market.

If this horse lost this race, combined with his soundness issues, he would be nothing special. People want to breed to a TC winner, not an unsound horse that couldn't even get through the TC.

id take bb over a hard spun baby

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I first heard about this last night but simply didn't know if it was true so i didn't post.

First of all a quarter crack can be a real issue or it can be a minor issue depending on it's location, including which foot and the severity of the crack.
The toughest thing right now is how much training he has to miss as opposed to the actual injury. Again depending on where it is located you can train in a bar shoe and do just fine. A lot of times the biggest problem is an abcess developing underneath where the patch is located. Proper drainage of the area is critical and sometimes that takes some time, sometimes not.

Secondly, the horse's "value" to IEAH is set already. It can not go up or down because they have already have sold the breeding rights. I dont understand why people dont seem to get that. His stud fee is also pretty much set because it is based more on the exposure the farm has as opposed to what the horse does on the track from now on. If he were to win the Belmont, travers, and BC Classic they may be able to get a little more but if he gets beat in the Belmont they will still be looking for 100k. There may be a clause that the farm pays less if the horse gets beat but there may also be a clause that says the farm pays less if the horse doesnt compete in the Belmont as well.

Missing some training probably isn't that big of a deal for this horse at this point though, is it?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

Missing some training probably isn't that big of a deal for this horse at this point though, is it?

Not as big of deal because he just ran twice but not exactly ideal. It may be an easy thing to take care of and wind up being a non issue.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

Missing some training probably isn't that big of a deal for this horse at this point though, is it?

'if everything is good, the colt will on the track for full training by Thursday.' he will go a week without going to the track. i would think that would be an issue.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Anyone that doesn't believe that people who have entered into a $50 million contract to stand a horse next year have no say in what the current owners do with the horse this year are either naive or stupid. Or both.

robert clay said that ieah has full say, that they will begin managing the horse after he retires-but we all know that he won't run at four.
no doubt they are in contact, and will make suggestions, but according to current and future owners, ieah is in control for now.
i'd imagine they have a deal somewhat like lawyer ron had regarding if he lost two in a row-no doubt three chimneys has something in there to protect themselves and their investment as best they can.

[Strategic Mission]

Originally Posted by Danzig

robert clay said that ieah has full say, that they will begin managing the horse after he retires-but we all know that he won't run at four.
no doubt they are in contact, and will make suggestions, but according to current and future owners, ieah is in control for now.
i'd imagine they have a deal somewhat like lawyer ron had regarding if he lost two in a row-no doubt three chimneys has something in there to protect themselves and their investment as best they can.

IEAH would do whatever Clay told them. They aren't going to put $50M at risk. Sure they want to win the TC, but if he lost the Belmont and came up lame, the starting stud fee would plummet. They wouldn't be able to get $25K for him. If he were to retire they could still get plenty.

The problem with this horse is that he hasn't beaten any real quality. If Casino Drive were to beat him then Casino Drive would be worth more than Big Brown. A better pedigree and a win in the head to head.

Remember, with Curlin and Casino Drive added to the market next year, Big Brown is going to have some serious competition for top mares if he is nothing more than an unsound horse that didn't win the triple crown.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Danzig

robert clay said that ieah has full say, that they will begin managing the horse after he retires-but we all know that he won't run at four.
no doubt they are in contact, and will make suggestions, but according to current and future owners, ieah is in control for now.
i'd imagine they have a deal somewhat like lawyer ron had regarding if he lost two in a row-no doubt three chimneys has something in there to protect themselves and their investment as best they can.

That might be what they say publicly but I don't believe that one bit. What if IEAH decided that since they won't own him anymore and he's not racing next year, to run him in the Belmont and see what happens? If you've decided to invest that much money in something, you absolutely have a huge say in how it's managed until u get it.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

The grind of the Derby & Preakness w/ a horse that has sore feet = quarter crack.....this SHOULDN'T surprise anyone. That's why he didn't race from Sept. to Mar. This is a very, very good horse with foot issues...but not "top shelf" yet. He may make the Belmont, but now there is an excuse if he preforms badly.