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Old 05-22-2008, 06:49 PM
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While I agree with you in principle, I don't think it would kill you to give him a tad more credit. He didn't make his sophomore debut until March 5th. He turned in a very impressive effort in the FL Derby off of only one start and very light training in almost 7 months. And he hasn't been threatened while winning three Grade Is.

Denis of Cork is a very nice horse. I think Big Brown is more, if only slightly more.

I give him plenty of credit. Just because I'm realistic doesn't mean I don't believe he's a very nice horse. How many times do I need to say it? What he isn't is as good, right now, as Curlin was at this point in 2007. Yes, the same Curlin who had pretty much a similar campaign. Yes, the same Curlin who has developed into a terrific horse but is no better, if even as good, as Skip Away. No knock there either. Skip Away was a marvelous horse. However, I don't see a lot of people saying he belongs in the same class as Seattle Slew. Thank God....because he doesn't. But, at least he ran many top notch races.

Denis of Cork is a very nice horse? Compared to what? Everything is relative. Using him as a comparison is probably unfair even to Big Brown. I should hope he is ten lengths better than Denis of Cork if he wins the TC. Hell, I should hope he is 15 lengths better.

I've seen a lot of wonderful racehorses. Maybe that's why I don't wet myself over ever reasonable horse that comes down the pike. I'm still waiting for another Go for Wand. If you want to see what a real champion is take a good look at her lifetime pps.

Denis of Cork? Give me a break.
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Old 05-22-2008, 06:52 PM
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Denis of Cork is nowhere close to Big Brown - however - I think he stands a better (although small) chance to upset BB than Casino Drive does. . .
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Old 05-22-2008, 07:08 PM
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Denis of Cork is nowhere close to Big Brown - however - I think he stands a better (although small) chance to upset BB than Casino Drive does. . .

Is it me or did Borel ride Cork exactly the same way he rode Street Sense in the KD? Obviously with a much different result but he was way back there and flew up the rail passing almost all but two.
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Denis of Cork? Give me a break.
Hey, I'm no Denis of Cork fan. But I think he's earned the distinction "very nice".

"Very nice" doesn't mean "great".
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Old 05-22-2008, 06:56 PM
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Hey, I'm no Denis of Cork fan. But I think he's earned the distinction "very nice".

"Very nice" doesn't mean "great".

He's " very nice " relative to his total crop. He's nowhere close relative to good horses.
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Old 05-22-2008, 06:57 PM
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He's " very nice " relative to his total crop. He's nowhere close relative to good horses.
Like Zanjero and Nobiz?
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Like Zanjero and Nobiz?
Just like them. Good in their crop. Nowhere near good overall though.
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Like Zanjero and Nobiz?
So far he's not as good as Zanjero and nowhere near Nobiz's league.
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So far he's not as good as Zanjero and nowhere near Nobiz's league.
I'm going to print this post, and frame it.

Yes!!!!
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I'm going to print this post, and frame it.

Yes!!!!
Or

you might just bet some money on the plug in the Belmont.
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I'm going to print this post, and frame it.

Yes!!!!

I think NoBiz is a very good horse. I also think Zanjero is pretty good as well.

I'll put it in relative terms....they were better 3YOs, by a reasonable amount, than Flashy Bull. Had either been sound, and made a reasonable progression from three to four, they could have been competitive in the top races as long as Curlin didn't run. Do you honestly think either one of them couldn't have won the Pimlico Special for instance? How about this year's Donn?
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I give him plenty of credit. Just because I'm realistic doesn't mean I don't believe he's a very nice horse. How many times do I need to say it? What he isn't is as good, right now, as Curlin was at this point in 2007. Yes, the same Curlin who had pretty much a similar campaign. Yes, the same Curlin who has developed into a terrific horse but is no better, if even as good, as Skip Away. No knock there either. Skip Away was a marvelous horse. However, I don't see a lot of people saying he belongs in the same class as Seattle Slew. Thank God....because he doesn't. But, at least he ran many top notch races.

Denis of Cork is a very nice horse? Compared to what? Everything is relative. Using him as a comparison is probably unfair even to Big Brown. I should hope he is ten lengths better than Denis of Cork if he wins the TC. Hell, I should hope he is 15 lengths better.

I've seen a lot of wonderful racehorses. Maybe that's why I don't wet myself over ever reasonable horse that comes down the pike. I'm still waiting for another Go for Wand. If you want to see what a real champion is take a good look at her lifetime pps.

Denis of Cork? Give me a break.
i feel the same way about it, excellent post.
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