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Old 05-21-2008, 07:28 PM
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I knew that the speculators were the ones driving up the price, but until I heard the numbers today on CNBC, had no idea that those crooked, unregulated hedge fund operators bought more oil than China.

I wish they'd ban those guys from being in any publicly traded investment at all.... they're in it to line their own pockets and have no regard for anyone that puts up their $$ to invest in the hedge funds.... and absolutely no regard for anyone investing lawfully at all (like all of us with any of our retirement accounts in mutual funds.... which I hope don't all get a FORTY PERCENT reduction, which will happen if Obama gets elected... he thinks that capital gains are only a tax on the rich, instead of the working class).
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Old 05-21-2008, 11:21 PM
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i thought it was all bushies fault??
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Old 05-21-2008, 11:36 PM
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I knew that the speculators were the ones driving up the price, but until I heard the numbers today on CNBC, had no idea that those crooked, unregulated hedge fund operators bought more oil than China.

I wish they'd ban those guys from being in any publicly traded investment at all.... they're in it to line their own pockets and have no regard for anyone that puts up their $$ to invest in the hedge funds.... and absolutely no regard for anyone investing lawfully at all (like all of us with any of our retirement accounts in mutual funds.... which I hope don't all get a FORTY PERCENT reduction, which will happen if Obama gets elected... he thinks that capital gains are only a tax on the rich, instead of the working class).
Crude Light Sweet contracts are easy money for Money management firms to park their cash in at this time. The market as a whole has been flat. Crude Light Sweet is priced in dollars and the dollar is cheap these days. I think the shorts were squeezed out today which caused the spike. The July contract is at $134.66 as I type and this is not a good thing.

Horsemen are not the only ones who are feeling the effects of this surge in energy prices. I think we're in the midst of a rocky run. Do not look for politicians to correct the situation. They will only make matters worse.
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Old 05-21-2008, 11:47 PM
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The decline in the value of the American dollar is going to hurt the quality of racing in this country.

Buyers from Japan, Europe, and Canada are far more active at yearling and 2-year-old sales. More than a few very nice athletes I liked from the FT Calder sale were bought up by foreign buyers and aren't going to race here. The decline in the dollar means they are buying these horses at a discount basically.
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Old 05-22-2008, 12:09 AM
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Yo, BOYS, relax

Every time I think things aren't going well in terms of the economy

I just head on over to PA, and see YET ANOTHER thread by the proprietor, PA himself

DEBUNKING that RECESSION BUNK

There is no recession according to PA


What fuel crisis?

The economy is THRIVING.

The recession 'GOONS'
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Old 05-22-2008, 12:10 AM
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Yo, BOYS, relax

Every time I think things aren't going well terms of the economy

I just head on over to PA, and read YET ANOTHER thread by the proprietor

DEBUNKING that RECESSION BUNK

There is no recession according to PA


What fuel crisis?
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Old 05-22-2008, 07:58 AM
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I knew that the speculators were the ones driving up the price, but until I heard the numbers today on CNBC, had no idea that those crooked, unregulated hedge fund operators bought more oil than China.

I wish they'd ban those guys from being in any publicly traded investment at all.... they're in it to line their own pockets and have no regard for anyone that puts up their $$ to invest in the hedge funds.... and absolutely no regard for anyone investing lawfully at all (like all of us with any of our retirement accounts in mutual funds.... which I hope don't all get a FORTY PERCENT reduction, which will happen if Obama gets elected... he thinks that capital gains are only a tax on the rich, instead of the working class).
You're wrong- Obama's proposed increase on capital gains is from 15 percent to 20 percent, not to 40 percent. It took me exactly 90 seconds of Googling to find that out. I don't know where you get your news from. FOX, I'm presuming? I think where you are confused is his proposed raising of tax on dividends to 39.5 percent. Dividends are not the same thing as capital gains. I don't know of any middle-class people who live entirely on dividends. Plus, retirement accounts aren't taxed the same way regular dividends are. Raising the taxes on what is primarily an income source for the wealthy is not going to trash the middle class or retirees.

And these aren't new tax levels; they are pre-Dubya tax levels. Because Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy have worked out so well for the economy.

I can't even begin to deal with the "ban speculators" rant. Sure, everyone wants government out of their lives/business, and then they start yelling when people take advantage of gov't staying out of their lives/businesses.
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Old 05-22-2008, 08:06 AM
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Make reefer legal and tax it and "everything gonna be all right".

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Old 05-22-2008, 08:16 AM
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I think Storm Cadet makes interesting points and it probably will affect meets like Saratoga and Del Mar unfortunately.
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Old 05-22-2008, 09:09 AM
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blame the tree huggers for this...its the refineries that are making the problem...
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Old 05-22-2008, 09:28 AM
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Gr,
Obama wants to raise capital gains to 28%, not 20. I googled it also and found about 4 diffrent mainstream media sources that listed it as 28% Hillary clinton said she wanted to raise it to 20%. Which is absolutely moronic, as the government wont take in any more money, it will take in less. This has all played out before.
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Old 05-22-2008, 09:55 AM
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Just read on the NYRA site that they now are going with FREE ADMISSION and parking till Sunday and reduced food prices. Think they are reacting to fuel prices and their diminishing attendance like other recreational areas are doing. Just heard on CNBC this AM that resorts/amusements parks are giving away similar perks to try to keep attendance levels up this summer.

http://www.nyra.com/belmont/stories/...tionWeek.shtml

BTW: As a person who goes many days to Bel, have you seen or read of any drop in attendance so far in the spring meet? I have not gone yet this spring to see for myself. Thanks.
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Old 05-22-2008, 09:59 PM
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You're wrong- Obama's proposed increase on capital gains is from 15 percent to 20 percent, not to 40 percent. It took me exactly 90 seconds of Googling to find that out. I don't know where you get your news from. FOX, I'm presuming? I think where you are confused is his proposed raising of tax on dividends to 39.5 percent. Dividends are not the same thing as capital gains. I don't know of any middle-class people who live entirely on dividends. Plus, retirement accounts aren't taxed the same way regular dividends are. Raising the taxes on what is primarily an income source for the wealthy is not going to trash the middle class or retirees.

And these aren't new tax levels; they are pre-Dubya tax levels. Because Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy have worked out so well for the economy.

I can't even begin to deal with the "ban speculators" rant. Sure, everyone wants government out of their lives/business, and then they start yelling when people take advantage of gov't staying out of their lives/businesses.
I heard that straight from Obama's mouth... and I live in Chicago.
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