Biancone, cold with 2 year olds, my theory why

[sumitas]

I believe Dickinson has patented the process of wax coating sand. Therefore, if another company wins a bid to install, Dickinson still gets paid because they all use on-site wax coating of sand. Dickinson's patented process.

Originally Posted by sumitas

I believe Dickinson has patented the process of wax coating sand. Therefore, if another company wins a bid to install, Dickinson still gets paid because they all use on-site wax coating of sand. Dickinson's patented process.

Thats not true. I specifically read that california chose a company from which he got squat. His patent isnt the only patent out there on how to make the varieties of stuff. Look up the article, he was only getting paid on the patent if they chose Polytrack over his own company in which case he would have gotten it all. They chose neither and went with another company.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Thats not true. I specifically read that california chose a company from which he got squat. His patent isnt the only patent out there on how to make the varieties of stuff. Look up the article, he was only getting paid on the patent if they chose Polytrack over his own company in which case he would have gotten it all. They chose neither and went with another company.

Dickinson has the best stuff out there. It is called Tarpeta, but I believe Keeneland owns part of the company that puts down polytrack, so I doubt Tarpeta will ever see that track. Tarpeta though is likely to be used on many training tracks. One of the Belmont training tracks might get it. It is going to be very common in the future for training tracks to be synthetic and the main track dirt. This way you can train if you want on one and if you don't like it you can just work on the main track.

[Gander]

Speaking of dickinson when is the Rat Lobster running again? Arlington on Saturday?

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Dickinson has the best stuff out there. It is called Tarpeta, but I believe Keeneland owns part of the company that puts down polytrack, so I doubt Tarpeta will ever see that track. Tarpeta though is likely to be used on many training tracks. One of the Belmont training tracks might get it. It is going to be very common in the future for training tracks to be synthetic and the main track dirt. This way you can train if you want on one and if you don't like it you can just work on the main track.

There's a lot Dickinson talk here.

How well has Dickinson been doing since 2000? 2001? I thought so. His boys have been training on that material at his place. I haven't seen any speed from his horses in the past. Hasn't had any. Bellamy Road? Went to Zito, then was lights out for a race.

I'm sorry, but he's not winning, and his horse are training on it.

[2MinsToPost]

How I see it, as a new comer to this sport

Facts

- Less horses breaking down so far, considerably less

- Less days cancelled because of track conditions

Opinion

Everything else.

Let time tell the tale. I am no expert, I don't hold a candle to the wind of most on here but I have enough sense to know that in due course if the above two trends hold water and continue at their current pace (in other words considerably less breakdowns most importanly) then what is not to like about the surface assuming it is not harmful to those working around it daily. Are some of you telling me you would rather see more breakdowns on dirt then less on Poly?

On the subject of breeding, it will take care of itself. It has no choice. It has been in evolution for hundreds of years, subject to change and will continue to evolve. So be it that a horse like With A City might steal a race because of the surface. Some will lose, some will gain.

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost

How I see it, as a new comer to this sport

Facts

- Less horses breaking down so far, considerably less

- Less days cancelled because of track conditions

Opinion

Everything else.

Let time tell the tale. I am no expert, I don't hold a candle to the wind of most on here but I have enough sense to know that in due course if the above two trends hold water and continue at their current pace (in other words considerably less breakdowns most importanly) then what is not to like about the surface assuming it is not harmful to those working around it daily. Are some of you telling me you would rather see more breakdowns on dirt then less on Poly?

On the subject of breeding, it will take care of itself. It has no choice. It has been in evolution for hundreds of years, subject to change and will continue to evolve. So be it that a horse like With A City might steal a race because of the surface. Some will lose, some will gain.

Not a very informed opinion. Breeding may take care of itself but i can assure you the industry on which the sport is based won't if its thrown into undervalued chaos. Its ok though. Cold day in hell before Ny, Gulfstream, or CD change to it.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Not a very informed opinion. Breeding may take care of itself but i can assure you the industry on which the sport is based won't if its thrown into undervalued chaos. Its ok though. Cold day in hell before Ny, Gulfstream, or CD change to it.

If Gulfstream or Arlington change to this crap, I am protesting outside...i will be sitting in a tire wrapped in plastic

[Gander]

Could care less about Gulfstream, that place has gone to the dogs anyways. Its as bad as Delmar. Please no NY tracks going to the Poly. Could probably smell that sh-it from my place here in Toga.

Look Euro, if tracks wanted to install the stuff as a THIRD surface to go with turf and dirt I wouldn't care. Let the crippled claimers polytrack into the night. But thats not how its being marketed. Its being marketed as a replacement for dirt. Its become quite clear in the limited sample that ther is no correlation between form on the two. Call me crazy, but i don't think its rational, thought out well, or wise to take 150 years of training, breeding, etc and toss it out the window and tamper with sinking the breeding market which is the base of the economic structure of the sport.
I also think it will show a DECREASE in handle which will sink purses and tracks. The Turfway stats are quite misleading. First of all handle went up because they cancelled fewer cards. That won't come into play in Cali at all. 2nd of all I don't mean to bash Turfway but its not a major track that players play. I haven't read a single public handicapper or major player who likes the stuff to bet on. read this thread, how many guys are saying they won't be the stuff(add me to that list as well)? You take a major circuit like Cali or keeneland and I will bet you anything you want that handle goes down!!!!! The big bettors(5%) account for maybe 50% of handle. If they vote no with their bankrolls lets see how handle goes shall we?