Disapointing '08 so far for...

fpsoxfan · #1 05-20-2008, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Good point about the retirements. The game is changing, tough pill to swallow.

If these late-season 3-year-olds can shake-out, we might have an interesting set of races. Or it'll be Big Brown versus Macho Again in the Travers. Or, if Big Brown retires, it's Macho Again versus Denis of Cork. Yikes.

Yuck. Good Point. It could very well be a horrible Travers. I think we saw a small example of how bad the crop is just by the Preakness undercard. Not many names stood out.

SniperSB23 · #2 05-20-2008, 08:38 AM

The one who has actually run and has generated little to no buzz is Ginger Punch. I would think having the Distaff winner back would have drawn more interest.

MisterB · #3 05-20-2008, 08:53 AM

I think Frank is taking the same road as he did once before with Awesome Again in 1997. Try the same with Harlem Rocker. win the Plate, win the Jim Dandy, then the Travers.

I believe he is getting 150,000 for his services, and he never won a triple crown race either.

I am glad NRYA was happy he didn't run in the Preakness, but I am sure Frank could care less about a triple crown race he would have finished 2nd at best.

SniperSB23 · #4 05-20-2008, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterB

I am glad NRYA was happy he didn't run in the Preakness, but I am sure Frank could care less about a triple crown race he would have finished 2nd at best.

The race was won in a 100 Beyer so I'm not so sure about that. At the very least if he handled the distance he could have forced Big Brown to go several lengths faster.

MisterB · #5 05-20-2008, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

The race was won in a 100 Beyer so I'm not so sure about that. At the very least if he handled the distance he could have forced Big Brown to go several lengths faster.

OK

hockey2315 · #6 05-20-2008, 11:14 AM

There's no reason to believe that Harlem Rocker couldn't have won on Saturday. . . He would've won by just as many lengths (at least) if you took out Big Brown and put him in. . .

MisterB · #7 05-20-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

There's no reason to believe that Harlem Rocker couldn't have won on Saturday. . . He would've won by just as many lengths (at least) if you took out Big Brown and put him in. . .

As the great Ron Turcott said about Sham, "we'll really never know"

Even after KD easied up BB at the 1/16 pole, it was still one of the best final 1/4 times in Preakness History, so Frank made the right move. Maybe he could be a IEAH advisor too.

CSC · #8 05-23-2008, 08:37 AM

On the topic of a weak turf division, with Einstein being the top turf horse thus far this year and looking for a little competition. Some good news read today is that Sky Conqueror is back in training, this should add a little depth to the division.

kgar311 · #9 05-23-2008, 01:53 PM

On the topic of Disappointing of '08, you have to belive Majestic Warrior is a huge one for Steinbrenner and Mott.

Pedigree Ann · #10 05-23-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

On the topic of a weak turf division, with Einstein being the top turf horse thus far this year and looking for a little competition. Some good news read today is that Sky Conqueror is back in training, this should add a little depth to the division.

In the mile turf division, the Kipper is back from his BC Mile win and looking good - he beat Einstein, who really prefers longer, in the Mile at Keeneland.

CSC · #11 05-23-2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

In the mile turf division, the Kipper is back from his BC Mile win and looking good - he beat Einstein, who really prefers longer, in the Mile at Keeneland.

Agreed Kip Deville is a real nice horse, I was more or less thinking of possible Arlington Million type races or extended distance turf races. With Tin Man, Showing Up retired and Jambalaya still on the sidelines an infusion of new blood would be a welcome change.

ateamstupid · #12 05-23-2008, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

In the mile turf division, the Kipper is back from his BC Mile win and looking good - he beat Einstein, who really prefers longer, in the Mile at Keeneland.

Yeah, except he's running two more times this year. I don't really count that as being "back".

CSC · #13 05-20-2008, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterB

I think Frank is taking the same road as he did once before with Awesome Again in 1997. Try the same with Harlem Rocker. win the Plate, win the Jim Dandy, then the Travers.

I believe he is getting 150,000 for his services, and he never won a triple crown race either.

I am glad NRYA was happy he didn't run in the Preakness, but I am sure Frank could care less about a triple crown race he would have finished 2nd at best.

Stronach has shown patience if the past is any indication, Awesome Again was a later developer than Touch Gold and it's fair to say Awesome Again became the better horse when their careers ended. Stronach never rushed that horse and he won the Plate off a Mdn win I believe mostly on talent alone...He certainly has becone the better sire, I think the comparison with Harlem Rocker is a good one!

blackthroatedwind · #14 05-20-2008, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC

Stronach has shown patience if the past is any indication, Awesome Again was a later developer than Touch Gold and it's fair to say Awesome Again became the better horse when their careers ended. Stronach never rushed that horse and he won the Plate off a Mdn win I believe mostly on talent alone...He certainly has becone the better sire, I think the comparison with Harlem Rocker is a good one!

From what I hear Mrs. Stronach may have been the supposed " patient " one here.

He should have run in the Preakness. It's a shame he didn't.....but not for Big Brown.

CSC · #15 05-20-2008, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

From what I hear Mrs. Stronach may have been the supposed " patient " one here.

He should have run in the Preakness. It's a shame he didn't.....but not for Big Brown.

I thought he should have also, I thought he had a shot. A big shot!

the_fat_man · #16 05-20-2008, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

From what I hear Mrs. Stronach may have been the supposed " patient " one here.

I suppose, the woman didn't want to see HR subjected to another beating like he got last out in that ridiculously easy win.

The conversation probably went something like: "But Frank, if he won so easily, why did the jock beat him up in the stretch and why did he lug in so badly late?"