Beyer still not sold on Big Brown

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

I think the public would want it, or certainly demand it. I think it would tarnish whatever legacy he wants in the future if he doesn't. Alot has already been made of how mediocre this crop is, the colt atleast deserves a chance to dispel that notion.

legacy? what legacy? he's already made his legacy as far as ieah is concerned. they wanted 50 million for their newest brainchild, and he's put them a long way towards making it. if he wins the belmont, he will be too valuable to ieah and three chimneys to run again. smarty was mentioned above, we all know what his last race was....
and if big brown loses, he'll still retire-as no one would want to risk a second loss, to curlin or anyone else. have to protect that potential 100k stud fee. i'll be absolutely shocked and amazed if that horse runs again after his race in three weeks. he'll either go out 5-1, or 6-0, but go out he will.

as for the public, unless they can afford a share in big brown, ieah and three chimneys won't care what they think.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Danzig

legacy? what legacy? he's already made his legacy as far as ieah is concerned. they wanted 50 million for their newest brainchild, and he's put them a long way towards making it. if he wins the belmont, he will be too valuable to ieah and three chimneys to run again. smarty was mentioned above, we all know what his last race was....
and if big brown loses, he'll still retire-as no one would want to risk a second loss, to curlin or anyone else. have to protect that potential 100k stud fee. i'll be absolutely shocked and amazed if that horse runs again after his race in three weeks. he'll either go out 5-1, or 6-0, but go out he will.

as for the public, unless they can afford a share in big brown, ieah and three chimneys won't care what they think.

I'd say he sticks around for the Travers and or Haskel, as Point Given did...and maybe <cough> retire due to injury.

And yeah maybe he can become just as ordinary a sire as Point Given became as well.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

I'd say he sticks around for the Travers and or Haskel, as Point Given did...and maybe <cough> retire due to injury.

And yeah maybe he can become just as ordinary a sire as Point Given became as well.

i think point given will turn out to be a better sire than big brown.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think point given will turn out to be a better sire than big brown.

That's not a ringing endorsement, if we use Point Given as an example and you can use Monarchos also from the same year if you want. Winning the triple crown events does not necessarily mean you are going to be a success in the breeding shed. Right now you'd have to say Street Cry is the best sire from that crop with a derby winner to his name already. One look at the 2007 Top Sires list in North America and it is quite revealing.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by CSC

That's not a ringing endorsement, if we use Point Given as an example and you can use Monarchos also from the same year if you want. Winning the triple crown events does not necessarily mean you are going to be a success in the breeding shed. Right now you'd have to say Street Cry is the best sire from that crop with a derby winner to his name already. One look at the 2007 Top Sires list in North America and it is quite revealing.

It's not clear that Street Cry wasn't the most talented horse from that crop.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's not clear that Street Cry wasn't the most talented horse from that crop.

I sure would have loved to see Point Given race at 4 against Street Cry. I think it would have been very hard to chose which one would have been better. One thing is for sure Street Cry's Stephen Foster race was one of the more impressive races I remember from an older horse.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's not clear that Street Cry wasn't the most talented horse from that crop.

I think it's pretty close between him and Congaree. Was never a Point Given fan.

I also think Macho Uno might end up a good sire- he certainly stands at a place where he can get some good mares.

Originally Posted by CSC

I sure would have loved to see Point Given race at 4 against Street Cry. I think it would have been very hard to chose which one would have been better. One thing is for sure Street Cry's Stephen Foster race was one of the more impressive races I remember from an older horse.

His second in the Whitney was one of my all time favorite races...

[CSC]

Originally Posted by philcski

I think it's pretty close between him and Congaree. Was never a Point Given fan.

I also think Macho Uno might end up a good sire- he certainly stands at a place where he can get some good mares.



His second in the Whitney was one of my all time favorite races...

Lido Palace, Macho Uno, Street Cry, Left Bank. From 1st to 4th I think they beyered 121-116 Unbelievable!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

That's not a ringing endorsement, if we use Point Given as an example and you can use Monarchos also from the same year if you want. Winning the triple crown events does not necessarily mean you are going to be a success in the breeding shed. Right now you'd have to say Street Cry is the best sire from that crop with a derby winner to his name already. One look at the 2007 Top Sires list in North America and it is quite revealing.

sure isn't....which was my point.