Big Brown Beyer for Preakness was a 100

[Better Than Honour]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

They moved it up two points. Well, that certainly makes all the difference in the world.

Out of curiousity, after Casino Drive tanks in the Belmont, will you be slinking out the back door or changing your name to Mien?

I don't need to slink out any door. He will win, go back to Japan, and then take on Curlin. BB will lose and the excuse will be a mysterious injury and he will be retired.

As for the beyer, they did move it up 2 points but they should have moved in up 7 points. There claim that the track got that much faster was nonsense. He did it in his second career start off a long layoff after quarantine. Only exceptional animals can do that.

[ArlJim78]

Carnac the Magnificent has spoken.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Carnac the Magnificent has spoken.

Someone had to take the pressure off Harding and Cheswick.

[packerbacker7964]

My God dude he was at almost a crawl when passed the finish line. Kent spent more than 1/2 race looking between his legs and under his arms. Never has a horse won with such ease in the Preakness. After the race he wasn't even breathing hard, throwing his head around kicking and sqealling like a 2 year old.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by packerbacker7964

Never has a horse won with such ease in the Preakness.

Really?

[ArlJim78]

when you have a minimum 10 point beyer edge on your opponents, of course its going to look easy. this is a really nice horse but he hasn't had a real test yet, and may never get one.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by packerbacker7964

My God dude he was at almost a crawl when passed the finish line. Kent spent more than 1/2 race looking between his legs and under his arms. Never has a horse won with such ease in the Preakness. After the race he wasn't even breathing hard, throwing his head around kicking and sqealling like a 2 year old.

......... yeah a blind man could see that but, its obvious the people that only talk speed figs are clueless and wouldnt know a great horse if it kicked them in the teeth.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

......... yeah a blind man could see that but, its obvious the people that only talk speed figs are clueless and wouldnt know a great horse if it kicked them in the teeth.

This is much too obvious and is not really at the root of the issue. It figures that those that can only interpret the game in terms of figures, and thus have no intuitive grasp of it, would be clueless. They just learned the game the wrong way and haven't adjusted. That's fine.
But how about those that know how to properly use the figures and do have the intuitive grasp of the game? Shouldn't they, at least, be able to properly gauge the ability of this horse? Why is the focus, even from them, on the lack of competition, rather than the unique things this horse is able to do?

This is not meant to be critical and is more a result of disappointment than anything else.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

This is much too obvious and is not really at the root of the issue. It figures that those that can only interpret the game in terms of figures, and thus have no intuitive grasp of it, would be clueless. They just learned the game the wrong way and haven't adjusted. That's fine.
But how about those that know how to properly use the figures and do have the intuitive grasp of the game? Shouldn't they, at least, be able to properly gauge the ability of this horse? Why is the focus, even from them, on the lack of competition, rather than the unique things this horse is able to do?

This is not meant to be critical and is more a result of disappointment than anything else.

.....its not that, its the flavor of the times to rip every horse thats " great " i have seen it here and at espn a few years ago.... watch, if for some miracle B.B won in elmont then the travers AND won the b cup. it wouldnt be because he is exceptional it would be " the field in the travers was a joke" and " curlin hated the santa anita surface "

[TheSpyder]

Actually, I think BTH is the tatood lady I saw at the county fair last year. I mean really, it's one thing to have an opinion and quite another to claim to know about "mysterious injuries". How do you expect anyone to believe anything you say?

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Carnac the Magnificent has spoken.

[Better Than Honour]

Originally Posted by TheSpyder

Actually, I think BTH is the tatood lady I saw at the county fair last year. I mean really, it's one thing to have an opinion and quite another to claim to know about "mysterious injuries". How do you expect anyone to believe anything you say?

It is funny how Robby Albarado also agrees with me.

Albarado said. “Frankly, there were at least four 3-year-olds last year who were as good as Big Brown if not better. Street Sense, Hard Spun, Any Given Saturday and Curlin.”

[tiggerv]

Originally Posted by Better Than Honour

It is funny how Robby Albarado also agrees with me.

Albarado said. “Frankly, there were at least four 3-year-olds last year who were as good as Big Brown if not better. Street Sense, Hard Spun, Any Given Saturday and Curlin.”

Shocking to hear Curlin's rider say such a thing.

As if that quote means anything. Kent D also said BB was the best horse he has ever been on. Now I am confused. Who do I believe?

BTW Beyers aren't the only speed figures out there. Some of the others indicate that BB is quite a bit faster than last year's group.

Either way...no point in arguing with you. Please continue to pimp out the Peter Pan winner.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Better Than Honour

It is funny how Robby Albarado also agrees with me.

Albarado said. “Frankly, there were at least four 3-year-olds last year who were as good as Big Brown if not better. Street Sense, Hard Spun, Any Given Saturday and Curlin.”

Curlin, sure, I can see that. Street Sense...I guess the case could be made, but it is shaky. Hard Spun? Big, big stretch seeing how he never really won anything of note. I refuse to even address Any Given Saturday.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Better Than Honour

It is funny how Robby Albarado also agrees with me.

Albarado said. “Frankly, there were at least four 3-year-olds last year who were as good as Big Brown if not better. Street Sense, Hard Spun, Any Given Saturday and Curlin.”

Albarado should just stick to riding horses. Curlin is a yes, Street Sense a maybe, but the other two, no way

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Albarado should just stick to riding horses. Curlin is a yes, Street Sense a maybe, but the other two, no way

Hard Spun never faced these kind of horses. If Hard Spun were a 3 year old this year, he'd win the Triple Crown more than likely.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Hard Spun never faced these kind of horses. If Hard Spun were a 3 year old this year, he'd win the Triple Crown more than likely.

Whatever.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Better Than Honour

It is funny how Robby Albarado also agrees with me.

Albarado said. “Frankly, there were at least four 3-year-olds last year who were as good as Big Brown if not better. Street Sense, Hard Spun, Any Given Saturday and Curlin.”

Did Robby say "Casino Drive" as well? LOL. Listen, if this colt steps up -- and he needs to big time -- and beats Big Brown, so be it. Anybody can beat anybody on any given day, and in a race as enigmatic as the Belmont, perhaps even more so.

Eric

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Better Than Honour

It is funny how Robby Albarado also agrees with me.

I wouldn't be using this kind of argument to bolster any opinion.

[Round Pen]

Originally Posted by Better Than Honour

It is funny how Robby Albarado also agrees with me.

Albarado said. “Frankly, there were at least four 3-year-olds last year who were as good as Big Brown if not better. Street Sense, Hard Spun, Any Given Saturday and Curlin.”

OK we are going to play the name dropping game now I was never going to bring this up BTH opened the door.

Scott Blasi has stated on the Backside of Churchill Downs that he did not now if Curlin Could beat big Brown and was not for sure if he wanted to run Against him

[Better Than Honour]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

OK we are going to play the name dropping game now I was never going to bring this up BTH opened the door.

Scott Blasi has stated on the Backside of Churchill Downs that he did not now if Curlin Could beat big Brown and was not for sure if he wanted to run Against him

I will stick to links with actual quotes.

http://therail.blogs.nytimes.com/200...8/great-horse/

You can say whatever you want. I can assure you Scott Blasi never said he wasn't sure if he wanted to run against him. If he said anything it would be we won't find out because Curlin is a tough horse that hung around and Big Brown will be retired before he faces Curlin. Thanks for playing though.