Biancone, cold with 2 year olds, my theory why

[2 Dollar Bill]

Very Nice Thread.. and some Wonderful ideas & thoughts... I know that in (our Spa Contest) I have played each of his 2 year olds.. and keep looking for one to win.. He is getting bet, so the public likes his young horses. There are soooooo many questions about the poly track, and just another thing to think about when you read the form. Thank you for sharing your thoughts & I'll keep in my mind your thoughts about second time starters.. who may pay a price !

[SentToStud]

Great theory.

Be interesting to look at the winter Turfway meet. Check to see if Firsters and Lay-Off horses won at a FAR less-than-expected rate. That would tend to confirm the hypothesis.

My laboratory is already running at capacity. Who's got time? Anyone house-bound due to recent surgery?

[SentToStud]

Last thought..... how in the world can scientists clone goats and not be able to find a way for horses to run safely on dirt?

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Last thought..... how in the world can scientists clone goats and not be able to find a way for horses to run safely on dirt?

They can. Euro can bash me all he wants about hearsay but I can give you ten names that most would recognize in the business who have all said that these tracks could just lay down a safe dirt surface for less money than polyjunk. Bottom line is that polytrack is nothing but a marketing ploy, nothing more nor less. Look at size of the contracts involved. And of course noone who helps land a contract for a company is ever gonna get a christmas card stuffed with bills or a no show job down the road will they? Nah, no way that could happen.
Bottom line is that its not a suitable replacement for dirt racing and not everyone is ready to toss in the towel on hundereds of years of breeding and just start over again with the breed to try and breed horses who excel on wax coated tire shreds. Its a joke really.

I was always indifferent on the polytrack debate... I dont consider myself informed enough on the surface to have a true opinion. But after reading this, it def becomes an intriguing topic. Very interesting Oracle.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by oracle80

They can. Euro can bash me all he wants about hearsay but I can give you ten names that most would recognize in the business who have all said that these tracks could just lay down a safe dirt surface for less money than polyjunk. Bottom line is that polytrack is nothing but a marketing ploy, nothing more nor less. Look at size of the contracts involved. And of course noone who helps land a contract for a company is ever gonna get a christmas card stuffed with bills or a no show job down the road will they? Nah, no way that could happen.
Bottom line is that its not a suitable replacement for dirt racing and not everyone is ready to toss in the towel on hundereds of years of breeding and just start over again with the breed to try and breed horses who excel on wax coated tire shreds. Its a joke really.

What's the difference in maintenance costs on Polytrack vs. dirt? Is there any data on that yet?

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by oracle80

They can. Euro can bash me all he wants about hearsay but I can give you ten names that most would recognize in the business who have all said that these tracks could just lay down a safe dirt surface for less money than polyjunk. Bottom line is that polytrack is nothing but a marketing ploy, nothing more nor less. Look at size of the contracts involved. And of course noone who helps land a contract for a company is ever gonna get a christmas card stuffed with bills or a no show job down the road will they? Nah, no way that could happen.
Bottom line is that its not a suitable replacement for dirt racing and not everyone is ready to toss in the towel on hundereds of years of breeding and just start over again with the breed to try and breed horses who excel on wax coated tire shreds. Its a joke really.

Why not just stop the breeding practices that have made our horses so fragile? Then they could probably run on asphalt and jump over cars while racing.

[slotdirt]

Man, would I love to see some paragraphs right about now.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Man, would I love to see some paragraphs right about now.

I was thinking the same thing, but I managed to get through it, and he's got a pretty strong point..

If they run awful as 2 year olds and stay sound I say fine. When they are 3 and start making the big step up we will see. Two year olds should be at a testing stage anyway. But if the stuff totally screws up their muscle memory by making them stride inefficiently at an early age and it sticks, then its a problem.

Although your statements are solid (and health of the horse a priority), I dont know I would want to take the risk as an owner. Like its been said, he trains some very expensive babies... should be interesting to see if this holds true.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Great theory.

Be interesting to look at the winter Turfway meet. Check to see if Firsters and Lay-Off horses won at a FAR less-than-expected rate. That would tend to confirm the hypothesis.

My laboratory is already running at capacity. Who's got time? Anyone house-bound due to recent surgery?

Darnit; my brother the statistician is getting married tomorrow... so much for saying to him, "Hey, you want a little side project...?" I think his wife would have issues with it...

[GPK]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Great theory.

Be interesting to look at the winter Turfway meet. Check to see if Firsters and Lay-Off horses won at a FAR less-than-expected rate. That would tend to confirm the hypothesis.

My laboratory is already running at capacity. Who's got time? Anyone house-bound due to recent surgery?

someone call my name?