Big Brown will not race after this year

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

I'll be shocked if he makes it to the Belmont.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

I'll be shocked if he makes it to the Belmont.

Get ready to pay up.

[freddymo]

I actually hope he goes to Claiborne. I wonder if such a classy operation would deal with such swine. Business is business and keeping Danzig in the breed couldn't be a bad thing.
Three Chimneys hasn't been running to hot lately..I don't see them as a likely home but what the f do I know.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I actually hope he goes to Claiborne. I wonder if such a classy operation would deal with such swine. Business is business and keeping Danzig in the breed couldn't be a bad thing.
Three Chimneys hasn't been running to hot lately..I don't see them as a likely home but what the f do I know.

What makes them swine? They turned $3 million into $30 million in less than a year. Does this make them bad guys? Or do you hate them for Dutrow and/or Greg Martin?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

What makes them swine? They turned $3 million into $30 million in less than a year. Does this make them bad guys? Or do you hate them for Dutrow and/or Greg Martin?

Have a heart... Nobody has respect for success more then I but I have no use for cheats.. I have my share of vices cheating isn't one I ever thought was acceptable.

He is a very nice horse that could serve our sport well.. I just wish the silks were Claiborne and he was going home to be managed in a reasonable and responsible way after his limited 4 year old career.

Clearly terms like in the sports best interest and a well managed prudent stud career arent important to the chop house that is IEAH.. I assume whomever has the most dough on the table can get the horse to do whatever they need to do to recoup the investment. Horse people used to respect the industry that they made there money from. Nowadays its only important to earn once you have struck oil.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Have a heart... Nobody has respect for success more then I but I have no use for cheats.. I have my share of vices cheating isn't one I ever thought was acceptable.

He is a very nice horse that could serve our sport well.. I just wish the silks were Claiborne and he was going home to be managed in a reasonable and responsible way after his limited 4 year old career.

Clearly terms like in the sports best interest and a well managed prudent stud career arent important to the chop house that is IEAH.. I assume whomever has the most dough on the table can get the horse to do whatever they need to do to recoup the investment. Horse people used to respect the industry that they made there money from. Nowadays its only important to earn once you have struck oil.

There are some who feel that claiborne is like Joe Gibbs, used to be great, now living on past glory.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I actually hope he goes to Claiborne. I wonder if such a classy operation would deal with such swine. Business is business and keeping Danzig in the breed couldn't be a bad thing.
Three Chimneys hasn't been running to hot lately..I don't see them as a likely home but what the f do I know.

I see you're keeping your hot streak going.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I see you're keeping your hot streak going.

I have a lot of time on my hands

[CSC]

I don't see why breeders would rush out to breed to him considering Curlin will enter stud duty next year. Curlin to me has a much more attractive pedigree who has proven a heck of alot more in my eyes. Aren't these guys rushing the gun ya think?

[Danzig]

it's not as tho curlin can cover every mare out there. big brown will get his share...
also depends on what you're looking for out of a horse, and what you've got as far as mare, as to who you'd use for a stud.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by CSC

I don't see why breeders would rush out to breed to him considering Curlin will enter stud duty next year. Curlin to me has a much more attractive pedigree who has proven a heck of alot more in my eyes. Aren't these guys rushing the gun ya think?

I'm the first to say I don't know much about the breeding business, but it seems like a lot of it depends on irrational exuberance for the hot new thing- if they run Big Brown at 4, and he doesn't do well, they won't be able to charge as high a stud fee as if they retire him this year, while he's still the most recent KDerby winner. Add to that, most stallions fail at stud, so it's important they make as much money as they can as soon as they can, so if he's a stud dud they'll still have made their $$.

Like someone said, it's a breeding business, with a few races tossed in on the side.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Why?

Dunno...I just don't think something right. The connections are not as confident going into this race...it might be the quick two week return or something else. Don't get me wrong, he should jog versus this group on Saturday...but Casino Drive stands in his way on June 7th as well as the mile and a half distance.

[slotdirt]

I'm with HHH on this one, I just don't have a superior feeling about the Preakness being an injury-free race.

Uh that is just stinkin thinkin.

He'll race a few more years. Maybe 5 or more.

[Danzig]

really? only one year? i am so surprised.

[Danzig]

maybe they could just go ahead and have a first mare presentation rather than bothering with a trophy.

[XIIPointStables]

He's done enough...

[pick4]

Dutrow Jr. seemed pretty confident about Big Brown's chances in this Saturdays Preakness in the following article published in Wednesday's New York Post.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05142008..._us_110711.htm

NO ONE'S SUPPOSED TO BEAT US


May 14, 2008 -- LOUISVILLE - I can't wait to get out of here and head to Baltimore. But I sure am glad I came! It's like Saratoga. You can't wait to get there, then you can't wait to leave.

I see Gayego (17th in the Derby) is running in the Preakness. That's fine with us. They say he had a bad trip. I think he just got outrun - and it's going to happen again. That horse ran terrible in the Derby, flew back to California, now he's flying east again. That's enough for me to know. They're just completely putting him up against it.

They can't beat us now. There is not a horse in that field that's supposed to beat Big Brown. He should like Pimlico. It's a speed-favoring track, always has been. As long as he keeps going the way he is now, he'll be going into the race good, even if it is off just a two-week break. We're just going to have to see how the horse handles it. There's no way of me saying beforehand.

Brown looks like the best horse, and that's what you need to win, as long as he breaks good and gets things his way again. It doesn't look like there's much speed in the race. If that's the truth, maybe we'll just have him come running the first part, so he can get position and save ground. We might use different tactics than we did in the Derby. It depends on his post and all that kind of stuff.

Hopefully, we'll have another good day. He'll gallop this morning, then head for the airport.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by XIIPointStables

He's done enough...

so has this phrase!