Casino Drive Beyer vs Unbridleds Heart Beyer

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Better Than Honour

I was. He ran a 101 beyer off a major layoff and he did it in his second career start. The jock was impressed and he made a point that Big Brown will have his hands full. He is going to love 12f. I think a 226 is possible and perhaps Big Brown can go even lower and beat him but I think this horse is going to put up a big time in that race.

So, you thought he might have said he wasn't impressed and that he couldn't possibly beat Big Brown?

[Payson Dave]

Just a thought here...
Regarding the 10th race at Belmont on Saturday....I was expecting a very good effort from Phobia... he had been training very well on the training track at Saratoga...he demolished a couple of different workmates...he had a very good work from the gate....his gallop outs could have been a little better but nonetheless a much improved performance was expected....and in fact his performance was definately much improved...

His opening qtr in 22.17 and a final qtr in 24 & change with a final time of 1:10.60 for NYbred mdns was fast but the workouts that I saw suggested he was going to run very well

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

Just a thought here...
Regarding the 10th race at Belmont on Saturday....I was expecting a very good effort from Phobia... he had been training very well on the training track at Saratoga...he demolished a couple of different workmates...he had a very good work from the gate....his gallop outs could have been a little better but nonetheless a much improved performance was expected....and in fact his performance was definately much improved...

So, you can't wait to get 4:5 the next time he runs?

[Payson Dave]

He is all yours next time....
what I was alluding to was that the time of the race may not have been totally due to a souped up track

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

He is all yours next time....
what I was alluding to was that the time of the race may not have been totally due to a souped up track

He ran a 43, I believe, in his debut.

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He ran a 43, I believe, in his debut.

I don't have the form for Saturday here in front of me...I'll assume you are right....is your point that the improvement was too much to reasonably accept?

[cmorioles]

There is no doubt he improved, and I am certainly not surprised a second time starter would do so. However, with a Beyer of 85, were are asked to believe the winner improved 18 points off of a good effort first out, the runner up went from a 35 to an 80, and the long time maiden that ran 3rd went from a 41 to a 73, and improved a few lengths over his lifetime best as well. The 2 to 1 favorite ran about the same 55 he did last time finishing second as he did getting drubbed on Saturday.

It just doesn't pass the smell test. Keep in mind these are NY breds maidens, and the race was originally carded for turf. Good luck betting those horses off of the figures that will be in the DRF.