Wayne Catalano-Frank Calebrese

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

And by meet's end, the Illinois numbers will be only slightly better than the Florida numbers.

i'd agree with that, but still you're talking about a lofty batting average.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

i'd agree with that, but still you're talking about a lofty batting average.

It sure is, but like Scav said, I think it has a whole lot more to do with the way they run their operation than anything else.

So many of their wins this year will come from claiming a horse, dropping it, winning, and then losing the horse. You're going to win a better percentage of races when you're putting horses either where they belong, or below where they belong and being willing to lose them to turn a small profit on the purse/claim.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

It sure is, but like Scav said, I think it has a whole lot more to do with the way they run their operation than anything else.

since they have so much success, why do you think that nobody else has decided to run their operation in the same manner you described?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

since they have so much success, why do you think that nobody else has decided to run their operation in the same manner you described?

They're not the only guys effectively playing the claiming game out there.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

They're not the only guys effectively playing the claiming game out there.

any that you know of that are above 20%.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

any that you know of that are above 20%.

KLesaris
K Ziade
Ness
S Beattie
Levine
Assmussen
Puype for Bone

they are out there....

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

KLesaris
K Ziade
Ness
S Beattie
Levine
Assmussen
Puype for Bone

they are out there....

I assumed he was talking about in Chicago, I know there are others that do it elsewhere.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

since they have so much success, why do you think that nobody else has decided to run their operation in the same manner you described?

How many people have the capital that Calabrese has? You realize how much that dude is worth right?

2ndly, he don't care about losing money, he just wants to be the big magaffer.....

[Scav]

Furthermore, they really don't lose that much money in that they claim for 10k and drop to 5k, but the purse for a 5k race is 10k, so they make 1k if they get claimed, and if they don't, they run back in the same spot and then make2k + the 5k once they do get claimed

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Scav

How many people have the capital that Calabrese has? You realize how much that dude is worth right?

2ndly, he don't care about losing money, he just wants to be the big magaffer.....

The third is something I heard yesterday...He's making a ton betting on his winners and enjoying the IRS relief from losing claimers below what he paid

[Scav]

Originally Posted by GBBob

The third is something I heard yesterday...He's making a ton betting on his winners and enjoying the IRS relief from losing claimers below what he paid

Exactly. The dude sends it in.

I was in back of him last year a couple times, $500Win bets with $100 exacta box savers with his horses. he is no joke.

[TheSpyder]

What is odd is that even favorites only win 30% of the time. What is the ROI so far? Just seems llike this cannot go on or if it does, I got to believe it's more than great horses and management.

Spyder