Wayne Catalano-Frank Calebrese

[Scav]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Ok, maybe Spagnola is a bit too far, but it's not like Catalano is moving these horses up 20 points and winning races that most trainers WOULDN'T be winning in the first place. The majority of these horses are several lengths faster than their competition, and were several lengths faster then their competition before Catalano even got them.

So when they win by several lengths because they're put in easy spots where they're several lengths the best, it's really hard for me to have sympathy for anyone who wants to complain.

You don't have to tell me this, I agree. If I didn't know how they do things, then I would be thinking they are cheating, but I understand the operation. The guy that 'runs the show' is a pretty sharp claiming guy.

I don't think they are saints though, but they aren't Asmussen or Dutrow

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Scav

You don't have to tell me this, I agree. If I didn't know how they do things, then I would be thinking they are cheating, but I understand the operation. The guy that 'runs the show' is a pretty sharp claiming guy.

he is the brains of the outfit thats for sure. i sometimes wonder how well they would do without him.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

he is the brains of the outfit thats for sure. i sometimes wonder how well they would do without him.

Leving is his name I think, he gets fired like monthly

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Scav

Leving is his name I think, he gets fired like monthly

yes Leving, as you would say its so comedy how many times they have a falling out then get back together.

here are the numbers I have for Catalano this year
Florida 23/65 35.4%
Illinois 12/18 66.7%

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

yes Leving, as you would say its so comedy how many times they have a falling out then get back together.

here are the numbers I have for Catalano this year
Florida 23/65 35.4%
Illinois 12/18 66.7%

And by meet's end, the Illinois numbers will be only slightly better than the Florida numbers.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

And by meet's end, the Illinois numbers will be only slightly better than the Florida numbers.

i'd agree with that, but still you're talking about a lofty batting average.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

i'd agree with that, but still you're talking about a lofty batting average.

It sure is, but like Scav said, I think it has a whole lot more to do with the way they run their operation than anything else.

So many of their wins this year will come from claiming a horse, dropping it, winning, and then losing the horse. You're going to win a better percentage of races when you're putting horses either where they belong, or below where they belong and being willing to lose them to turn a small profit on the purse/claim.

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

And by meet's end, the Illinois numbers will be only slightly better than the Florida numbers.

slightly better so then 35-40% is normal, i gotta get a new trainer

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

slightly better so then 35-40% is normal, i gotta get a new trainer

Well that's a different conversation, which I mentioned earlier. If anyone wants to say that no way, no how, does a trainer win at 35% without cheating regardless of class/form/stock, that's one thing, and a conversation that seems totally worth entertaining.

But using this isolated 70+% hot streak as evidence of cheating just doesn't work, because it happens at some point every year when he gets like this, and it's going to level off. It's a statistical outlier, albeit one with plenty of logical explanations that are just as, if not more valid than the knee-jerk cry of cheating. That's all I'm saying, and all I've been saying.

Thomas M. Amoss $2,018,748 32%
Basically did at FG what Catalano does in Chicago.
W. Bret Calhoun $1,745,865 30%
This guy has always been suspect
Jamie Ness $1,129,774 35%
Same with this one
Stephanie S. Beattie $941,075 37%
Don't get me started
Brian A. Lynch $903,821 33%
Stronach's b.itch. Check the win percentage at non-Magna tracks.

The others have ridiculously high win percentages and he SMOKES them. It's not even close. It's outlandish. It's like Jesus is his co-pilot.



Wayne M. Catalano $849,249 43%

Holy s.hit!! He's the best trainer in America!!!

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Holy s.hit!! He's the best trainer in America!!!

Since being disingenuous is sort of your thing, I get that I'm wasting my time responding.

But really, if this is all so outrageous, go find the horses that should have beaten them in their 12 wins.

I'd imagine, if you were for once willing to be intellectually honest, that you would be hard pressed to find more than a dozen combined.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Since being disingenuous is sort of your thing, I get that I'm wasting my time responding.

But really, if this is all so outrageous, go find the horses that should have beaten them in their 12 wins.

I'd imagine, if you were for once willing to be intellectually honest, that you would be hard pressed to find more than a dozen combined.

How about you find 10 trainers in the past three years that have a winning percentage that high.

If you don't, you can come back and tell me that this opportunity Catalano has taken advantage of only happens in Chicago, douchebag.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

How about you find 10 trainers in the past three years that have a winning percentage that high.

If you don't, you can come back and tell me that this opportunity Catalano has taken advantage of only happens in Chicago, douchebag.

Jesus, you're tired.

You're crying about numbers that a guy racks up. I continue to say that it makes perfect sense given who he is running his horses against.

So your question is terribly irrelevant to what I'm saying, and my question about which races exactly they shouldn't be winning remains terribly relevant.

I'm not particularly concerned with his final winning percentage as opposed to other trainers -- I'm concerned with all this hemming and hawing about the fact that he is winning so much, when nobody is taking the time to figure out that nearly all of these horses should be winning their races in the first place. That leads to the big numbers, obviously, which I've already covered.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Jesus, you're tired.

You're crying about numbers that a guy racks up. I continue to say that it makes perfect sense given who he is running his horses against.

So your question is terribly irrelevant to what I'm saying, and my question about which races exactly they shouldn't be winning remains terribly relevant.

I'm not particularly concerned with his final winning percentage as opposed to other trainers -- I'm concerned with all this hemming and hawing about the fact that he is winning so much, when nobody is taking the time to figure out that nearly all of these horses should be winning their races in the first place. That leads to the big numbers, obviously, which I've already covered.

Wow we're on another level of homerism here, folks.

You're right. There is nothing odd about the 70% win clip because these horses were supposed to win. And, as we all know, the best horse on paper wins 70% of the time.

Who can argue with this guy? He's right all of the time!! He got you HRTV on Comcast, people!!!

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Thomas M. Amoss $2,018,748 32%
Basically did at FG what Catalano does in Chicago.
W. Bret Calhoun $1,745,865 30%
This guy has always been suspect
Jamie Ness $1,129,774 35%
Same with this one
Stephanie S. Beattie $941,075 37%
Don't get me started
Brian A. Lynch $903,821 33%
Stronach's b.itch. Check the win percentage at non-Magna tracks.

The others have ridiculously high win percentages and he SMOKES them. It's not even close. It's outlandish. It's like Jesus is his co-pilot.



Wayne M. Catalano $849,249 43%

Superstar Trainer 2008 Update as of today

Brian Lynch...can't find info. Off the map!!!
Thomas M. Amoss $3,879,602 29%
W. Bret Calhoun $3,711,716 28%
Jamie Ness $2,179,160 32%
Stephanie S. Beattie $2,009,486 36%

Wayne M. Catalano 2,002,543 39%

All had drops in percentage.

Calhoun and Amoss brought home some serious coin.

Catalano was 34.9% after the hot streak at Arlington...38.5% for the meet....56% wp percentage. Still a ridiculous number yet not as damning.

What I'd like to know is how many trainers with over 200 runners in a year have held a winning percentage that high.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Superstar Trainer 2008 Update as of today

Brian Lynch...can't find info. Off the map!!!
Thomas M. Amoss $3,879,602 29%
W. Bret Calhoun $3,711,716 28%
Jamie Ness $2,179,160 32%
Stephanie S. Beattie $2,009,486 36%

Wayne M. Catalano 2,002,543 39%

All had drops in percentage.

Calhoun and Amoss brought home some serious coin.

Catalano was 34.9% after the hot streak at Arlington...38.5% for the meet....56% wp percentage. Still a ridiculous number yet not as damning.
What I'd like to know is how many trainers with over 200 runners in a year have held a winning percentage that high.

I have to admit that I had to throw up the white flag from this thread back in May. What really changed my opinion ( besides Coach calling me a dupe and an idiot) was the ridiculous 1) lack of people who would claim off them because 2) Horses rarely, if ever won, let alone finished in the coin first off the claim. And if you were smart enough to run them right back off the claim and run decently, then the second time out you were really screwed.

[philcski]

This was a fascinating thread, I don't know what to make of these guys professionally but I know I don't like them, especially after his comments on Million Day.

[Split Rock]

[quote=Coach Pants]Superstar Trainer 2008 Update as of today

Brian Lynch...can't find info. Off the map!!!
Thomas M. Amoss $3,879,602 29%
W. Bret Calhoun $3,711,716 28%
Jamie Ness $2,179,160 32%
Stephanie S. Beattie $2,009,486 36%

Wayne M. Catalano 2,002,543 39%

All had drops in percentage.

Calhoun and Amoss brought home some serious coin.

Catalano was 34.9% after the hot streak at Arlington...38.5% for the meet....56% wp percentage. Still a ridiculous number yet not as damning.

What I'd like to know is how many trainers with over 200 runners in a year have held a winning percentage that high.[/QUOTE]

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