Wayne Catalano-Frank Calebrese

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

they're all hitting new lifetime tops, how can you say its just spotting?
i'm going to play lightly until this madness is over. no sense joining them because you can't make money.

did you see brandons race? he found trouble but it didn't matter.

I was gonna post about this a few days ago but didnt. Glad others around here can see whats goin on out in Chicago. For years Catalano/Calabrese have been moving horses up. But the crookedness goin on now makes a guy like Dutrow look like an angel. You are right on target about the spotting thing. These horses are improving way too much. Even for Catalano standards. The race today with Meier's kid was hysterical. The kid just sat on the horse without moving much. I could have ridden that horse today to the winner's circle.

Catalano seems to be using jocks like Meier (rookie), David Bourque(horrible), and Fires (too old) because these horses are so juiced up they cant possibly lose.

Now maybe you see my frustration with AP now.

[Split Rock]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

I was gonna post about this a few days ago but didnt. Glad others around here can see whats goin on out in Chicago. For years Catalano/Calabrese have been moving horses up. But the crookedness goin on now makes a guy like Dutrow look like an angel. You are right on target about the spotting thing. These horses are improving way too much. Even for Catalano standards. The race today with Meier's kid was hysterical. The kid just sat on the horse without moving much. I could have ridden that horse today to the winner's circle.

Catalano seems to be using jocks like Meier (rookie), David Bourque(horrible), and Fires (too old) because these horses are so juiced up they cant possibly lose.

Now maybe you see my frustration with AP now.

The worst thing about it.....the track won't do a single thing. These guys are basically robbing other trainers and owners and the track will sit by and watch it happen.

It's also interesting to note that these accomplishments never make the radar screen. This is pretty amazing stuff in the horse world yet no one talks about it. Probably because everyone knows it's not legitimate.

[ArlJim78]

so it all comes down to knowing how to read a condition book and spotting horses? why are they so brilliant at it while others don't catch on to this simple system? also how does reading the condition book and spotting horses make them run faster?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

so it all comes down to knowing how to read a condition book and spotting horses? why are they so brilliant at it while others don't catch on to this simple system? also how does reading the condition book and spotting horses make them run faster?

you really think they're juicing?

They are going to go 0-8 pretty soon over a weekend and there will be a lot of opportunties to make money...

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by GBBob

you really think they're juicing?

They are going to go 0-8 pretty soon over a weekend and there will be a lot of opportunties to make money...

true...

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by GBBob

you really think they're juicing?

They are going to go 0-8 pretty soon over a weekend and there will be a lot of opportunties to make money...

They do every year. Catalano is firing at a higher rate than normal at the moment, but it's all going to level out. He has streaks like this every year, it's just not as noticeable when it happens mid-meet because his win percentages aren't as high as they are now.

Catalano is firing all his bullets now. It seems pretty clear to me that they got the first condition book, pointed horses for races, and got runners that could come in and dominate early meet claiming races. They enter two in a race, realize that one can win the next day, and they scratch and get two for one. The man puts horses where they can win, and in all honesty, all he's really been doing is winning like crazy at a meet in which the first few weeks are just an ever so slightly improved version of Hawthorne's spring meet.

Just like Cat gets hot every year like this, he goes ice cold every year, and I think it's going to happen sooner than later. Just wait for his 1-for-20 streak that inevitably comes every year.

What gets lost in all of these arguments about the Catalano/Calabrese horses and their insane win percentages is the fact that nearly all of the horses who win look the best on paper going into the race. He doesn't win that often when they look overmatched (Porticipation and Rusty Bucket on Saturday, for example).

You give a guy like Chris Block, who nobody is ever going to accuse of juicing horses, the same stock and the same entries against the same competition that Cat has sent to post so far this year, and Block wins at 70% too.

I'll call the waaaaahmbulance for the rest of you.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

They do every year. Catalano is firing at a higher rate than normal at the moment, but it's all going to level out. He has streaks like this every year, it's just not as noticeable when it happens mid-meet because his win percentages aren't as high as they are now.

Catalano is firing all his bullets now. It seems pretty clear to me that they got the first condition book, pointed horses for races, and got runners that could come in and dominate early meet claiming races. They enter two in a race, realize that one can win the next day, and they scratch and get two for one. The man puts horses where they can win, and in all honesty, all he's really been doing is winning like crazy at a meet in which the first few weeks are just an ever so slightly improved version of Hawthorne's spring meet.

Just like Cat gets hot every year like this, he goes ice cold every year, and I think it's going to happen sooner than later. Just wait for his 1-for-20 streak that inevitably comes every year.

What gets lost in all of these arguments about the Catalano/Calabrese horses and their insane win percentages is the fact that nearly all of the horses who win look the best on paper going into the race. He doesn't win that often when they look overmatched (Porticipation and Rusty Bucket on Saturday, for example).

You give a guy like Chris Block, who nobody is ever going to accuse of juicing horses, the same stock and the same entries against the same competition that Cat has sent to post so far this year, and Block wins at 70% too.

I'll call the waaaaahmbulance for the rest of you.

Easy with the Block comment, he singlehandily owns the Illinois breeding industry because he has the best mares in Illinois.

So if a trainer goes on a losing streak to drop the win % to 30%-35% that automatically clears him of any wrongdoing.

Fantastic logic. D'awesome. I want a whaaamburger happy meal with the MAC eyeliner prize.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

So if a trainer goes on a losing streak to drop the win % to 30%-35% that automatically clears him of any wrongdoing.

Fantastic logic. D'awesome. I want a whaaamburger happy meal with the MAC eyeliner prize.

Right, because your logic is the one where you take one line out of a post and try to make it all that I said.

If you're paying any attention, these horses would be 8-5 regardless of their trainer in about 80% of his wins so far, and he's got fresh stock and recent acquisitions from OP and Kee that fit these conditioned races perfectly. Forget Block, give them to Williamson, Robertson (either one) and they win just as often; hell, give them to Ida Spagnola and they still win at 50%.

Which...you would know if you:
1.) paid any attention
2.) had any desire to actually have a conversation, instead of just going with the usual M.O. of just being a prick and offering nothing of substance.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by GBBob

you really think they're juicing?

They are going to go 0-8 pretty soon over a weekend and there will be a lot of opportunties to make money...

i don't know that bob, but something seems suspicious. maybe they're just better at this than anyone else, but I find that hard to believe.
i am counting on catching some of these early season winners when they race back the second or third time at 1-2 odds and running off the board.