Wayne Catalano-Frank Calebrese

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Scav

Eric, excellent point about him getting a positive, to my recollection, he has never recieved a positive test. But I do not think Illinois tests for milkshaking

I don't know if they do. Someone told me that IL has the back box for harness racing, but again, I don't know. Is it possible they have it for harness and not the flats? Of course. Here in NJ (at the Meadowlands), they got the black box for harness years before it went in to effect for the flats. I never understood why the two don't work together . . . oh yeah, that's right, this is the horse racing industry, LOL.

Here in NJ, it appears the harness industry has made far more progress on "catching" cheaters. I think they are still doing a lot of barking absent of biting, but they are getting better. Catching is one aspect, but enforcement is just as important.

I am sure this will open another Pandora's box of an arguement, however, regardless, I don't care what anyone says -- milkshaking is not getting these guys the results they are getting. Meet after meet, track after track, different states, on track from what I gather, surprise visit(s), and so on.

Eric

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Folks,this is supposed to be about an entertainment product. In this case(horseracing,) the entertainment being sold is a product called competition. If you don't have competition,then you don't have something to sell. People are standing around waiting until something competitive does happen. Regardless of whether you think these 2 people are right or wrong,they are hurting the entertainment value of this sport.The sport would be much better off if they replaced these uncompetitive races with competitive ones. When it gets boring enough,then they will have to do something about it.The competitive races are subsidizing these uncompetitive displays these two are putting on. That's the truth.You can say they are within the rules etc. etc., but most people go to the track to watch competition.They just put up with these boring races in order to finally get to the competive ones. They are paying these two, and these two are not providing anything entertaining in return. They just provide boring mismatches, and it is not good for the entertainment value of this sport. At some point, people are gunna wake up, and realize that they need to provide a more entertaining product than what these two offer up.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Folks,this is supposed to be about an entertainment product. In this case(horseracing,) the entertainment being sold is a product called competition. If you don't have competition,then you don't have something to sell. People are standing around waiting until something competitive does happen. Regardless of whether you think these 2 people are right or wrong,they are hurting the entertainment value of this sport.The sport would be much better off if they replaced these uncompetitive races with competitive ones. When it gets boring enough,then they will have to do something about it.The competitive races are subsidizing these uncompetitive displays these two are putting on. That's the truth.You can say they are within the rules etc. etc., but most people go to the track to watch competition.They just put up with these boring races in order to finally get to the competive ones. They are paying these two, and these two are not providing anything entertaining in return. They just provide boring mismatches, and it is not good for the entertainment value of this sport. At some point, people are gunna wake up, and realize that they need to provide a more entertaining product than what these two offer up.

THis is a track problem. I would take a close look at purse value v. claiming price. Properly set up races can take care of this problem. But it might be they also want to fill up fields. There obviously are all sorts of ways to set up a meet depending on what the track expects will be coming to race in order to provide a "product". If these guys are taking advantage of purse value v. claiming price, all the more power to them if they are not cheating. It is the tracks responsibility to set up competitive races while at the same time working with the horsemen that come to race.

What size of barn do these guys have compared to other trainers at Arlington? If they are bringing lots of animals and filling cards and stalls... The other trainers can run elsewhere if the condition book is lopsided.