Wayne Catalano-Frank Calebrese

[ArlJim78]

its getting ridiculous, even to the point that they can let anyone ride the horse whether its the ancient Earlie Fires who needs victories so he can retire, or a kid like Brandon Meier who in his very first race rode a cat/cal horse to a romping win.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

its getting ridiculous, even to the point that they can let anyone ride the horse whether its the ancient Earlie Fires who needs victories so he can retire, or a kid like Brandon Meier who in his very first race rode a cat/cal horse to a romping win.

Brandon Meier has been working with Catalano for the last 4 years or something, it isn't like he was given this mount.

He is not getting movements, he is spotting correctly.

Listen, I don't know what is going on, but the board tells you everything you need to know about Calabrese horses. If you can't beat them, which you can't right now, join them...

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Scav

Brandon Meier has been working with Catalano for the last 4 years or something, it isn't like he was given this mount.

He is not getting movements, he is spotting correctly.

Listen, I don't know what is going on, but the board tells you everything you need to know about Calabrese horses. If you can't beat them, which you can't right now, join them...

they're all hitting new lifetime tops, how can you say its just spotting?
i'm going to play lightly until this madness is over. no sense joining them because you can't make money.

did you see brandons race? he found trouble but it didn't matter.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

they're all hitting new lifetime tops, how can you say its just spotting?
i'm going to play lightly until this madness is over. no sense joining them because you can't make money.

did you see brandons race? he found trouble but it didn't matter.

It didn't matter because their were a bunch of cows in that race. That horse was there for one reason, to win for the kid.

How do you know they are reaching lifetime tops, I am speaking in relation to figures??

A horse like Rebounded is strictly a good claim, Tagg offered him for 30k and they took him.

I am not saying they are choir boys, but they usually win at 40% anyways, so now they are just hot, they have had plenty of weekends where they have won 5 out of 8 races they have run in. It wasn't like the horses that are winning haven't made 100% logicial sense, there hasn't been an illogical winner yet from them

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Scav

It didn't matter because their were a bunch of cows in that race. That horse was there for one reason, to win for the kid.

How do you know they are reaching lifetime tops, I am speaking in relation to figures??

A horse like Rebounded is strictly a good claim, Tagg offered him for 30k and they took him.

I am not saying they are choir boys, but they usually win at 40% anyways, so now they are just hot, they have had plenty of weekends where they have won 5 out of 8 races they have run in. It wasn't like the horses that are winning haven't made 100% logicial sense, there hasn't been an illogical winner yet from them

and what happens when their horses are claimed away? hmmm
proof that they're moved up is that they all drop off drastically when they're done with them.

[Split Rock]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

and what happens when their horses are claimed away? hmmm
proof that they're moved up is that they all drop off drastically when they're done with them.

Here are some nice stats for you:


Since 2003 horses claimed by Catalano (next start):
35% wins and 67% in the money
(385 starters. 136 wins and 257 in the money)

Since 2003 horses claimed away from Catalano (next start):
9% wins and 39% in the money
(479 starters. 44 wins and 187 in the money)

[MISTERGEE]

only one explanation
catalano=miracle worker

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Split Rock

Here are some nice stats for you:


Since 2003 horses claimed by Catalano (next start):
35% wins and 67% in the money
(385 starters. 136 wins and 257 in the money)

Since 2003 horses claimed away from Catalano (next start):
9% wins and 39% in the money
(479 starters. 44 wins and 187 in the money)

I was going to stay out of this one, but I just wanted to clarify one item. The results should not be justified by statistical data like the above. I am not saying they are saints, and I am not saying they are sinners. I am not saying either, although plenty of people absent of facts seem to be willing to do so.

The statistics are distorted, and if you need someone to explain why, then this is a futile discussion. Pick up a condition book and you can read why.

By the way -- does anyone know when was the last time Catalano got a positive test? What about a "high" test?

Eric

[Split Rock]

Originally Posted by Scav

It didn't matter because their were a bunch of cows in that race. That horse was there for one reason, to win for the kid.

How do you know they are reaching lifetime tops, I am speaking in relation to figures??

A horse like Rebounded is strictly a good claim, Tagg offered him for 30k and they took him.

I am not saying they are choir boys, but they usually win at 40% anyways, so now they are just hot, they have had plenty of weekends where they have won 5 out of 8 races they have run in. It wasn't like the horses that are winning haven't made 100% logicial sense, there hasn't been an illogical winner yet from them

Really wish I could believe it was legit Scav but, given the nature of horse racing, I am more inclined to believe a fat man with a red suit and white beard will bring me presents in late December.

I hate to say it, but the game of horse racing is not being governed by anyone. There is absolutely no accountability. The trends Catalano is hitting should be a red flag for investigation. Nothing will happen.

[Uncle Daddy]

What is really touching is their love and mutual respect for each other. I think this year is the 1ST I can remember with a public falling out

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Uncle Daddy

What is really touching is their love and mutual respect for each other. I think this year is the 1ST I can remember with a public falling out

It will happen, just a matter of time

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

they're all hitting new lifetime tops, how can you say its just spotting?
i'm going to play lightly until this madness is over. no sense joining them because you can't make money.

did you see brandons race? he found trouble but it didn't matter.

I was gonna post about this a few days ago but didnt. Glad others around here can see whats goin on out in Chicago. For years Catalano/Calabrese have been moving horses up. But the crookedness goin on now makes a guy like Dutrow look like an angel. You are right on target about the spotting thing. These horses are improving way too much. Even for Catalano standards. The race today with Meier's kid was hysterical. The kid just sat on the horse without moving much. I could have ridden that horse today to the winner's circle.

Catalano seems to be using jocks like Meier (rookie), David Bourque(horrible), and Fires (too old) because these horses are so juiced up they cant possibly lose.

Now maybe you see my frustration with AP now.

[Split Rock]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

I was gonna post about this a few days ago but didnt. Glad others around here can see whats goin on out in Chicago. For years Catalano/Calabrese have been moving horses up. But the crookedness goin on now makes a guy like Dutrow look like an angel. You are right on target about the spotting thing. These horses are improving way too much. Even for Catalano standards. The race today with Meier's kid was hysterical. The kid just sat on the horse without moving much. I could have ridden that horse today to the winner's circle.

Catalano seems to be using jocks like Meier (rookie), David Bourque(horrible), and Fires (too old) because these horses are so juiced up they cant possibly lose.

Now maybe you see my frustration with AP now.

The worst thing about it.....the track won't do a single thing. These guys are basically robbing other trainers and owners and the track will sit by and watch it happen.

It's also interesting to note that these accomplishments never make the radar screen. This is pretty amazing stuff in the horse world yet no one talks about it. Probably because everyone knows it's not legitimate.

[ArlJim78]

so it all comes down to knowing how to read a condition book and spotting horses? why are they so brilliant at it while others don't catch on to this simple system? also how does reading the condition book and spotting horses make them run faster?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

so it all comes down to knowing how to read a condition book and spotting horses? why are they so brilliant at it while others don't catch on to this simple system? also how does reading the condition book and spotting horses make them run faster?

you really think they're juicing?

They are going to go 0-8 pretty soon over a weekend and there will be a lot of opportunties to make money...