churchill/calder cut purses

[citycat]

Granted we are all in this together (tracks, trainers, owners) but to use a "W" word......isnt it ironical that the decrease in purses affects the "third party" in this pissing match, the owners.

PID here we come.........just wait until next year when Indiana Downs purses will be more than CD...............amazing.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by citycat

Granted we are all in this together (tracks, trainers, owners) but to use a "W" word......isnt it ironical that the decrease in purses affects the "third party" in this pissing match, the owners.

PID here we come.........just wait until next year when Indiana Downs purses will be more than CD...............amazing.

Perhaps you forgetting that you are part of the second party, the horseman. The "trainers" arent blocking anything, it is the HBPA which is not only trainers but owners also not to mention the KTA which is also owners and trainers.

Twenty percent?
Jeez.

Not peanuts. Thats significant.

[Cannon Shell]

They are doing what they have to do. It's business. But they cant move the grandstand and race somewhere else. We can.

[citycat]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They are doing what they have to do. It's business. But they cant move the grandstand and race somewhere else. We can.

yeah poor CD they are goin under. Yes we will definitely be going somewhere else, especially next year

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by citycat

PID here we come.........just wait until next year when Indiana Downs purses will be more than CD...............amazing.

PID's signal is blocked too... they're probably next to cut purses.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jwkniska

PID's signal is blocked too... they're probably next to cut purses.

very little of PID's money is from wagering

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

very little of PID's money is from wagering

they'll find a way to blame it on it though... unfortunately

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Unless they cut purses, this is the equivalent of being paid while on strike.I have no problem with them striking,but getting full purse money while doing it is one of the oddest things I have ever heard of.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Unless they cut purses, this is the equivalent of being paid while on strike.I have no problem with them striking,but getting full purse money while doing it is one of the oddest things I have ever heard of.

Dude, we dont work for them. The money that they pay out in purses isn't their money. By contract it is our money. They pay based on projections. If they handle more than projected, they raise purses, if less, they cut them. It is rare that a 2% decrease in handle (derby day) leads to a 20% purse cut.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dude, we dont work for them. The money that they pay out in purses isn't their money. By contract it is our money. They pay based on projections. If they handle more than projected, they raise purses, if less, they cut them. It is rare that a 2% decrease in handle (derby day) leads to a 20% purse cut.

You're asking for people to be inconvenienced for your own personal financial reasons. That's what people on strike do, but don't expect to get your regular purse while doing it. How the hell would it ever get solved if you didn't have a reason to want to negotiate? Obviously your group inconvenienced people in order to get what you want. The people who would have bet may have lost interest in the product.They may have started betting other tracks or bet sports other than racing. That's hard to put a value on (longterm loss.) Are you saying the Florida Horseman should have to take the cut in purses, but not the Kentucky horsemen? There is no way you can do this without hurting the other people involved (track,state, bettors.) It's a strike. Hasn't their stock gone down some? You've inconvenienced the other 2 parties involved, and hurt the overall product by driving people away from it(to find another product.) I think you should have the right to do it, but I don't think you should expect to be paid as usual. If members of your group start leaving for better purse somewhere, then they will have to start cancelling racing. Again, like in other strike situations. This really is a strike (it's just that the strikers don't want the resulting reduction in wages.) I don't think you're better than anyone else striking for more money. You want what you want. So, you should have to take the temporary financial hit (like anyone else would have to endure.)

[BillW]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dude, we dont work for them. The money that they pay out in purses isn't their money. By contract it is our money. They pay based on projections. If they handle more than projected, they raise purses, if less, they cut them. It is rare that a 2% decrease in handle (derby day) leads to a 20% purse cut.

Since the dispute is with the tracks and not the players, why not withhold horses from the tracks rather than go after the players?