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Old 05-06-2008, 10:35 AM
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You can't think this makes your point useful do you?
Nope. Obviously, if a horse goes 3 wide or more, he has no chance of winning. Everyone knows that all horses that win from off the pace do so while racing down on the rail.

I'll continue to not worry about horses that run wide. It's worked for me for years. There is a reason why many trainers prefer for their horses to be outside of others.
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Old 05-06-2008, 10:40 AM
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i've seen winners come from off the pace, and winners go wire to wire.
I'm now declaring pace to also be meaningless.
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Old 05-06-2008, 11:16 AM
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I've seen horses win on dirt, I've seen horses win on turf and I've seen horses winning synthetics. I'm now declaring racing surface to be meaningless.
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Old 05-06-2008, 11:19 AM
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I've seen gray, brown, chestnut and dark brown horses all win races. I determine colors to be meaningless.
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Old 05-06-2008, 11:36 AM
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If nothing else, you all are good for a laugh.

Look, all things being equal, a horse on the inside has a shorter path to run. I do realize this. But how often are all things equal? Horses down on the inside may not lose the same ground on turns that horses that go wide do but they often encounter different problems that have a way of evening things out. A horse down on the inside may have to check or steady and lose some lengths there. A horse on the inside may be running on a heavier part of the track. There are many different things that happen in a race that have a way of evening things out and in my opinion, being three wide is not as big a deal as most people make it. It's not ideal but it's not the kiss of death either. How much ground is lost by going five wide on the turn at Churchill as opposed to three wide? A lot of people also don't realize that it varies from track to track. Being five wide at Belmont is not the same as being five wide at Santa Anita because of the track layouts. I just think it's overblown. But hey, whatever works for you is fine.
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Old 05-06-2008, 02:02 PM
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how bout this, would you rather have your horse running two wide with horses inside and outside of him, or four wide with only horses inside of him? I have noticed over almost 30 years of horse ownership and watching races the horse running in between horses almost always do not give there best efforts and in fact if you notice a horse making his best move while between horses he will almost invariably improve in his next start all being equal.
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Old 05-06-2008, 11:39 AM
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I've seen gray, brown, chestnut and dark brown horses all win races. I determine colors to be meaningless.
jim made a good point. pace is important.

i assume you're just piling on king and completely missed the point. or actually think color is important.
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Old 05-06-2008, 01:25 PM
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I've seen gray, brown, chestnut and dark brown horses all win races. I determine colors to be meaningless.
Ummm....I think you missed the point that Jim and Travis were trying to make.
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Old 05-06-2008, 01:26 PM
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I didnt miss any point ****ers
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Old 05-06-2008, 04:03 PM
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I didnt miss any point ****ers
so then...color is a factor in your handicapping?
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