Big Brown is no Preakness lock

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by The Bid

I dont think hell need any excuses.

I would like to see Miners Claim run on a dirt surface, Preakness would be nice

As would I. I know Casse shipped him back to Toronto, and mentioned possibly trying one of the big summer stakes (Haskell or Travers), although with only 2 races this year, he would seem fit to try the Preakness if they wanted.

I'd also like to see Ready's Echo, but that's probably unlikely. Pletcher mentioned on At the Races a few weeks ago that they may try him in the Peter Pan.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Whats not to understand, sorry about your low IQ, theres plenty of higher learning establishments here in the us. Im sure Univ. of Phoenix is right up your alley

You're way off, buddy. . .

[hockey2315]

And you never really explained how Harlem Rocker and Court Vision have anything in common. . .

Well at least he didn't compare Harlem Rocker to Yankee Bravo.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by kgar311

So what are you saying Court Vision got no hype on DT going into the Derby??? Would you like me to pull up all the threads???

anyone that hyped Court Vision was immediately pounded by others that thought he was overrated. the same for Smooth Air, TomCito, monba and the rest of the cast. there were no universally hyped horses here.

also, the only other solid performance that I've seen this year, other than from Big Brown, was Harlem Rocker. I don't know that he's as good as Big Brown, perhaps not at this point. But I do know that he will offer more resistance than those that showed up on Saturday.

how many times has harlem rocker gone two turns?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by pgardn

how many times has harlem rocker gone two turns?

How many times did Bernardini go two turns before the '06 Preakness?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Why? Don't horses usually come back after a trip to Canada?

I think this would really depend on Stronach's national patriotism. The Canadian dollar is equal to the U.S dollar, their triple crown is certainly worth some prestige and I think there is a monetary bonus to boot. If he does go in and wins the Plate Trial, I think it is almost assured he will go to the Plate and it might be the Travers or Haskell that he reappears here again.

[packerbacker7964]

Yeah like the Year Fu Peg was looking so good going into the Preakness then along came Red Bullet then the rest is history.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Why? Don't horses usually come back after a trip to Canada?

Ummmmm No.......Obviously you have never heard of The Canada Triangle.

[AlexP]

Actually I think the Canadian dollar is worth slightly less than the U.S. dollar. But I agree, I think if he won the Plate Trial he'd go to the Queen's Plate. However, the Preakness would fit in just as well schedule wise as the Trial, and he could then go to the Queen's Plate. The question is, has he raced on synthetics? If he hasn't, and I don't think he has, maybe part of the Plate Trial would to be try him on synthetics first. Also, Canada does have the rule that you have to race twice, I believe, in the country to be considered for a Sovereign Award. I don't believe this would be an issue for Harlem Rocker, because I think if he did well in the Queen's Plate (and maybe even if not) he'd go on to the Prince of Wales which would give him two starts, but any successful run in Canada would enhance his chances at a championship.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

How many times did Bernardini go two turns before the '06 Preakness?

This is Bernardini?
We are truly reaching.

[RolloTomasi]

Not that I'd consider him a major contender, but does anyone know whether or not that Godolphin colt that was a close 2nd in the Lafayette (Hatta Fort or something like that) is pointing to the Preakness? Not sure if he's even a Triple Crown nominee.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This is Bernardini?
We are truly reaching.

Does he have to be Bernardini to make the comparison?

And he might be. . .

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Does he have to be Bernardini to make the comparison?

And he might be. . .

He better be really good to beat Big Brown.
If the horse's feet stay in good shape there
is no reason to think he still has big upside.

He might be...
I'll bet his not.

Its an extremely convenient comparison.
Grasping.

The track is muddy at Pimlico and we may
have a brand new type of race. If we want
Big Brown to get beat so badly.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This is Bernardini?
We are truly reaching.

What? What evidence makes you say that it's a reach? He probably isn't as good, but he's done just as much through May 6 as Bernardini had done.

[mac attack]

i'm not a big fan of big brown but his last 2 races he hasn't even had to run hard, so i'm doubtin any horse is gonna run past big brown without him turnin it on and shartin all over their face and destroying their confidence, your best bet is to key him on top and try to hit the tri, and if available, the super, be weiry of el gato malo

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

What? What evidence makes you say that it's a reach? He probably isn't as good, but he's done just as much through May 6 as Bernardini had done.

Because Bernardini has already proven himself.
We already know what he did at and after the
Preakness.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Because Bernardini has already proven himself.
We already know what he did at and after the
Preakness.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Because Bernardini has already proven himself.
We already know what he did at and after the
Preakness.

Great point. Bernardini won a bunch of Grade I's after the Derby, and Harlem Rocker hasn't. I agree.

You insinuated that it was some major drawback that Harlem Rocker hadn't gone two turns. Well, neither had Bernardini. What Bernardini did in the Preakness and after is irrelevant, because Harlem Rocker hasn't had a chance to do any of those things.