Big Brown Beyer 109

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i never heard the barbaro crop described as weak. that's why he got so many kudos, because he beat a very deep, very contentious field.

Who exactly stood out in that field?

[Danzig]

leading up to that derby, everyone said it was the deepest in years. and then barbaro beat them hands down.
sorry if it doesn't jibe with your opinion fat man, it's just what everyone was writing and saying, trainers, owners, sportswriters, etc. and keep in mind, this was in the weeks leading up to that derby. obviously last years was also a deep crop, but they weren't around when barbaros was being written about.

[cmorioles]

Looking back, it pretty much stunk outside of Lawyer Ron. He didn't really get good until Pletcher got him later on in his career.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Looking back, it pretty much stunk outside of Lawyer Ron. He didn't really get good until Pletcher got him later on in his career.

exactly, Lawyer Ron did not break through until his 4yo year.

[ateamstupid]

Regardless of whether or not the '06 crop panned out, it sure as hell looked a lot better GOING INTO THE DERBY.

Here are the PP's from the '06 Derby:

http://www.drf.com/tc/kentuckyderby/...yderby_pps.pdf

You're telling me that field doesn't look VASTLY superior to this year's, based on what they did before the Derby?

[cmorioles]

I think if all tracks were dirt this year they would have looked pretty much the same, though I guess Sweetnorthernsaint looked OK. Boy did he fall off.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I think if all tracks were dirt this year they would have looked pretty much the same, though I guess Sweetnorthernsaint looked OK. Boy did he fall off.

Point taken, but considering that no synthetic horse finished better than sixth on Saturday, I don't know if we can totally write off the synthetic figures as too low.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I think if all tracks were dirt this year they would have looked pretty much the same, though I guess Sweetnorthernsaint looked OK. Boy did he fall off.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

yes


The NUMBER ONE DOOFUS horse of all time.

This guy would find trouble in a match race with a late scratch -- his specialty was hitting the gate coming out; had that one down real well.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Regardless of whether or not the '06 crop panned out, it sure as hell looked a lot better GOING INTO THE DERBY.

Here are the PP's from the '06 Derby:

http://www.drf.com/tc/kentuckyderby/...yderby_pps.pdf

You're telling me that field doesn't look VASTLY superior to this year's, based on what they did before the Derby?

no question about it, that field had much more appeal than this last one.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

no question about it, that field had much more appeal than this last one.

As previously stated...poly surfaces come into play here, tough to get a read on this year's crop. This was the most difficult crop in years to handicap before the Derby...Big Brown looked great but only three starts...it was, in a word, confusing. Probably will be this way for at least a few years until the different poly surfaces are better understood. The time to judge any crop is at the end of their 3 year old season, especially now...lets wait and see.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Regardless of whether or not the '06 crop panned out, it sure as hell looked a lot better GOING INTO THE DERBY.

Here are the PP's from the '06 Derby:

http://www.drf.com/tc/kentuckyderby/...yderby_pps.pdf

You're telling me that field doesn't look VASTLY superior to this year's, based on what they did before the Derby?

thanks, the point i was trying to convey. barbaro got tons of respect from that race, he trounced that field.