Big Brown is no Preakness lock

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Still not even remotely close to a valid comparison

So what are you saying Court Vision got no hype on DT going into the Derby??? Would you like me to pull up all the threads???

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by kgar311

So what are you saying Court Vision got no hype on DT going into the Derby??? Would you like me to pull up all the threads???

How does one hype horse who hadn't broken a 90 Beyer in his 6 race career and was 5th(?) in the betting in a 20 horse field compare to a horse who continues to improve and has already earned a 106 and will probably be second choice in the betting in a much smaller Preakness field?

And was Court Vision the only horse who got (undeserved) hype here or anywhere else going into the derby?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by kgar311

So what are you saying Court Vision got no hype on DT going into the Derby??? Would you like me to pull up all the threads???

anyone that hyped Court Vision was immediately pounded by others that thought he was overrated. the same for Smooth Air, TomCito, monba and the rest of the cast. there were no universally hyped horses here.

also, the only other solid performance that I've seen this year, other than from Big Brown, was Harlem Rocker. I don't know that he's as good as Big Brown, perhaps not at this point. But I do know that he will offer more resistance than those that showed up on Saturday.

how many times has harlem rocker gone two turns?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by pgardn

how many times has harlem rocker gone two turns?

How many times did Bernardini go two turns before the '06 Preakness?

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

How many times did Bernardini go two turns before the '06 Preakness?

This is Bernardini?
We are truly reaching.

[RolloTomasi]

Not that I'd consider him a major contender, but does anyone know whether or not that Godolphin colt that was a close 2nd in the Lafayette (Hatta Fort or something like that) is pointing to the Preakness? Not sure if he's even a Triple Crown nominee.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This is Bernardini?
We are truly reaching.

Does he have to be Bernardini to make the comparison?

And he might be. . .

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Does he have to be Bernardini to make the comparison?

And he might be. . .

He better be really good to beat Big Brown.
If the horse's feet stay in good shape there
is no reason to think he still has big upside.

He might be...
I'll bet his not.

Its an extremely convenient comparison.
Grasping.

The track is muddy at Pimlico and we may
have a brand new type of race. If we want
Big Brown to get beat so badly.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This is Bernardini?
We are truly reaching.

What? What evidence makes you say that it's a reach? He probably isn't as good, but he's done just as much through May 6 as Bernardini had done.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

What? What evidence makes you say that it's a reach? He probably isn't as good, but he's done just as much through May 6 as Bernardini had done.

Because Bernardini has already proven himself.
We already know what he did at and after the
Preakness.

[Better Than Honour]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This is Bernardini?
We are truly reaching.

Actually Bernardini wasn't undefeated going into the Preakness. Harlem Rocker is undefeated. I still think they likely will skip the race but Stronach does own Pimlico if I am correct and Harlem Rocker could still go to the Queens Plate.

[johnny pinwheel]

as long as he is healthy , i think he is a lock. this is from someone that did not like him saturday. so far the preakness field looks even worse. the belmont will be his challange, its usually the down fall of the triple crown hopefuls.

Originally Posted by Better Than Honour

Actually Bernardini wasn't undefeated going into the Preakness. Harlem Rocker is undefeated. I still think they likely will skip the race but Stronach does own Pimlico if I am correct and Harlem Rocker could still go to the Queens Plate.

Maiden voyage yes.
Bernardini had big expectations put on him
mainly because he had two very impressive
races before the Preakness, but it was mainly his breeding imo.
And I think it is probable (although impossible
to say) that he would have beaten a ready (no breakthru)
Barbaro.

Just think its a bit much of a step for Rocker
and a reach. Especially since we have not seen
the best out of Big Brown. Who the heck knows.
Maybe he stays really sore for two weeks. Or the feet.