Very Mixed Feelings

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Instead of the usual BBB hit and run that you are doing now, please, enlighten me, what is so funny?

And it's been a few days, so while I have you here, could you explain the horsemen's postion in regards to the signal dispute? You said you were behind them and shockingly, or maybe not, never got around to answer why.

I'm so sorry for the delay. I could at least have offered you up a smiley face or an OOOOOOO.

Bennie Stutts is a decent trainer but it is not within the realm of remote possibility that he's be training a syndicate purchased horse. And with the issues Brown has, it is far more likely than not that anyone other than a top tier trainer has Brown both ready and peaked for the race.

Follow?

On the horsemen/CDI/ADW dispute, Churchill has been been in no hurry to get a deal done for months now. The horsemen had only one chip to play and they played it instead of caving in. I respect that.

Of course, you know the biggest issue in Florida isn't the ADW deal but rather slots. CDI's stalling has been based, in great measure, on speculation over a reduced tax structure for pari-mutuel slots. Well, guess what.... the legislative session closed Friday and it didn't get done. CDI f'ed it up. Or, more kindly, couldn't get the deal done. And guess what, after months of signaling that Calder would settle on a slots rev split with horsemen similar to what is in place at Gulfstream, CDI reneged and said they can't do a slots revenue sharing deal for Calder until, after it determines “where and how to put in slot machines” at Calder. Interesting or not, Ken Dunn issued that statement the day before he got canned. Perhaps the slots will go in Dunn's empty office.

I suppose CDI is within their rights to float certain intentions and then change course. In the end, it's a collectively bargained dispute. There's no black or white but I side with the horsemen.

I'm sure you know Churchill's stock was down 7% on Friday and another 5%+ today. That might lend you some clue as to how the rest of the world views Churchill's acumen.

Does this help?

What side of the fence do you land on?

Am I back on your holiday card list?

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

4 days for this? What press release did you cut and paste this from?

As for the Stutts comparison, obviously it went over your head. Try and follow, I'll go slow. I am well aware of Stutts place in the game. My point was, if Big Brown was trained by a horsemen like Stutts, people would be discussing Big Brown more. As opposed to caring about the people that own and train him.

Follow?

You are indeed a special kind of slow. No press releases. I follow the company and the story is in the freaking newspapers here. You do not need to be jealous of the fact that I actually understand what is going on here, just as you don't have to feel poorly about thinking first time MCL starters are "sometimes good value" on the Aqueduct Inner.

Until 4 weeks ago, you wouldn't have known Bennie Stutts from Benny the Bull, much less be "well aware of his place in the game."

AS for your "if Big Brown was trained by ... Bennie Stutts," comment, this does indeed show your are truly inept at this. Horses like Brown that win the Derby in their 4th start are not trained by the Bennie Stutts of the world.

And as for people not caring about the horse because of the connections, you're wrong again. People don't care about the horse because the runner-up died on the track.

Do you EVER offer up anything other than OOOOOOOs and negative comments about what other people have to say?

Once, just ONCE, you should try putting out something positive. Pick a race. Analyze it. Put it out for us to see. But you won't because you might be wrong.

I don't expect you to answer any of my questions. You will not. That is not your style.

But I do hope you'll get back to me on the Holiday card list thing.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

And as for people not caring about the horse because of the connections, you're wrong again. People don't care about the horse because the runner-up died on the track.

Hate to get in the middle of you two ladies' scuffle, but this is incorrect. Even if Eight Belles were alive and kickin', no one would care much about Big Brown. Rooting for Dutrow is about as fun as rooting for Rex Tillerson.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Hate to get in the middle of you two ladies' scuffle, but this is incorrect. Even if Eight Belles were alive and kickin', no one would care much about Big Brown. Rooting for Dutrow is about as fun as rooting for Rex Tillerson.

I dont know.. I think people would be more excited about the race and BBrown's awesome performance if the race had not been marred by Tragedy.

I know I would be. I guess I'm just rooting for big brown because he's a talented horse and I'm not forming my opinion of the horse based around his trainer. The only negative opinions of horses that I had were the Thoroughbred Corp's horses cause I hate the prince. And even that I had to get over a little cause I loved Point Given (granted i didnt have an opinion on the prince with PG was running).

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont know.. I think people would be more excited about the race and BBrown's awesome performance if the race had not been marred by Tragedy.

I know I would be. I guess I'm just rooting for big brown because he's a talented horse and I'm not forming my opinion of the horse based around his trainer. The only negative opinions of horses that I had were the Thoroughbred Corp's horses cause I hate the prince. And even that I had to get over a little cause I loved Point Given (granted i didnt have an opinion on the prince with PG was running).

Surely there would be more celebration of the PERFORMANCE had Eight Belles not gone down, but I don't think there would be any more enthusiasm for THE HORSE. Eight Belles living or dying doesn't have any effect on the fact that Big Brown has unlikeable connections. As a fan, I'd love to see a Triple Crown winner, but there's part of me that wants to see him get beaten because I'm not a Dutrow fan. If Big Brown had just about any other trainer (save for the other juicers), I'd be full bore rooting for him to win the Crown.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont know.. I think people would be more excited about the race and BBrown's awesome performance if the race had not been marred by Tragedy.

I know I would be. I guess I'm just rooting for big brown because he's a talented horse and I'm not forming my opinion of the horse based around his trainer. The only negative opinions of horses that I had were the Thoroughbred Corp's horses cause I hate the prince. And even that I had to get over a little cause I loved Point Given (granted i didnt have an opinion on the prince with PG was running).

no. i was completely disgusted that big brown won. then the news came of the filly, and that just added to my already incredibly low feelings.

i can't remember every rooting against a horse as much as i did this one. of course it helped my perspective when someone else actually said they wanted him to be injured (but not bad ) as i would not wish harm to the horse...but, you have a horse with only four starts, with a scumbag trainer and scumbag owners.
not the horses fault, but certainly not a horse you can get behind.

Originally Posted by Danzig

no. i was completely disgusted that big brown won. then the news came of the filly, and that just added to my already incredibly low feelings.

i can't remember every rooting against a horse as much as i did this one. of course it helped my perspective when someone else actually said they wanted him to be injured (but not bad ) as i would not wish harm to the horse...but, you have a horse with only four starts, with a scumbag trainer and scumbag owners.
not the horses fault, but certainly not a horse you can get behind.

It's not a good idea to get behind any horse...unless your name is sumitas and the horse is Golden...err nvmd.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

It's not a good idea to get behind any horse...unless your name is sumitas and the horse is Golden...err nvmd.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

cant blame the horse..

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

cant blame the horse..

obviously. but doesn't mean you have to root for him either. he'll have a cloud of suspicion over his head, and no one to blame but his owners. why? look who they hired, look at who trained previously.

[fpsoxfan]

Just for the record, I'll be rooting for Big Brown to win the Triple Crown. Since I've been involved in the game I've never seen it happen. I don't have any care in the world as to who the owners are. For me it doesn't have to be a "cookie cutter" deal where everyone is in love with the horse and connections. Some of you feel differently, and that's fine. Let's just get through the rest of this without another breakdown. Don't give any more ammo to these asswipes from PETA.

[alphanumeric1]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no. i was completely disgusted that big brown won. then the news came of the filly, and that just added to my already incredibly low feelings.

i can't remember every rooting against a horse as much as i did this one. of course it helped my perspective when someone else actually said they wanted him to be injured (but not bad ) as i would not wish harm to the horse...but, you have a horse with only four starts, with a scumbag trainer and scumbag owners.
not the horses fault, but certainly not a horse you can get behind.

I can't help but disagree. I think the Big Brown is awesome and I wish him the best. Yes..his trainer and owners are NOT endearing. That's being kind! But don't forget Curlin, owned by fen-phen fraudsters. These great animals can't pick their connections. Root for the horse and this great sport. We need heros.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by alphanumeric1

I can't help but disagree. I think the Big Brown is awesome and I wish him the best. Yes..his trainer and owners are NOT endearing. That's being kind! But don't forget Curlin, owned by fen-phen fraudsters. These great animals can't pick their connections. Root for the horse and this great sport. We need heros.

i just think that wins by horses for shady connections somehow glosses over their uh...'contributions' to the sport. as tho they achieve legitimacy by having a top horse. sort of like steve asmussen last year. he went from pariah down a years suspension for two huge drug positives (the second six month suspension was waived for some reason) to being a media darling... all past transgressions seemingly forgotten.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

There are numerous people here that I have put on winning horses. Granted, they aren't the $5 specials like you give out, but it happens. In fact, just a few months ago, I remember you praising me for giving out a winner. My how the times have changed.

You don't like what I have to say, ignore it. it's pretty easy to, there's a function on here and everything. I did find this to be quite amusing, "Do you EVER offer up anything other than OOOOOOOs and negative comments about what other people have to say?"

Just curious, isn't that what you do? Go take a look at your posts, that's your style. you're the new BBB, only he actually bets. What exactly is your obsession with me?


You'll never get the Stutts stuff. You're too angry and closed minded about anything I have to say to comprehend it. Sadly, it's pretty simple. Let me know when your 4 month long hard on finally goes away. You used to be an alright poster, now your jealousy and envy has consumed you. It's unfortunate, but it happens.

I laughed. Hard.


"Numerous people." Right. The next race you put out here will be the first.

You never thanked me for helping you understand the Aqueduct Inner better.

I laughed.

[azerica]

All in all, if we are to have a TC winner, I would rather it had been Smarty Jones, or Afleet Alex. Someone else said that it would be much preferred if a homebred or like Funny Cide's connections. A Wall Street person just does not appeal to me as much because for no reason other than my personal opinion, they don't have the love for their horse that would be there if it was from their own home. But then I like to root for the so-called underdog going against all the moneyed big city slickers with their smirky interviews.