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[eajinabi]

So you guys saying Big Brown must be juiced as well

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

So you guys saying Big Brown must be juiced as well

All I know is that I witnessed the "coming out party" of a special...I believe great...horse yesterday. He ran like the wind and the last time I was that impressed with a horse was Risen Star in the Belmont. I don't know any of his connections save Dutrow and frankly, I don't care...it's the horse I fell in love with...same as when you fall in love with a woman, do you really care how "nice" her family is? Regarding Dutrow...I respect and admire the man. He's made his share of mistakes for sure (last time I checked, so have I), but he faced great personal tragedy, his own demons...and has overcome them! I say...good for him!

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Oh my god. Respect and admire Dutrow? You always could make me laugh....

What's not to admire and respect, huh? Dutrow wins huge races in Dubai and Miami on the same day. Wins Derby from 20 post off a wide trip. Trains the top grass miler.

Suspensions? So what. Pletcher, Assmussen, Zito, etc..., all have gotten days. At least he takes his medicine like a man.

Who are your racing role models?

oh my god

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

What's not to admire and respect, huh? Dutrow wins huge races in Dubai and Miami on the same day. Wins Derby from 20 post off a wide trip. Trains the top grass miler.

Suspensions? So what. Pletcher, Assmussen, Zito, etc..., all have gotten days. At least he takes his medicine like a man.

Who are your racing role models?

oh my god

There is a lot funny in what you post, some obvious and some less so, but the highlighted part really takes the cake. He actually specifically doesn't " take his medicine like a man. " Aside from mocking it, he also received further suspensions for breaking the rules of his suspension. So, unless you believe that " a man " acts correctly in not accepting punishment, you are just flat out wrong.

Personally I thought Dutrow was great before the Derby and I gained real respect for him. Maybe he was a bit crass.....but the bottom line was that he said his horse was much the best before the race and he was absolutely right. However, that doesn't change history. But, Dutrow never claimed it did. You, on the other hand, are trying your hardest to.

It's not working.

[andrasi]

Im supposed to believe that these guys were shocked and outraged that Mr.Martin was using illegal means to show these amazing form reversals, so shocked that they went to Dutrow. COMMON, they knew what was happening and didnt care! If you give stock to Dutrow at this point you know what youre getting into. How many major races has had the winner come back with a positive? Was Big Brown doctored up who knows but he could of come to back to the winners circle with a needle sticking out of his ass and it would be swept under the rug, this sport gets enough bad press ( Eight Belles) but the Derby winner coming up positive I dont think so.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

There is a lot funny in what you post, some obvious and some less so, but the highlighted part really takes the cake. He actually specifically doesn't " take his medicine like a man. " Aside from mocking it, he also received further suspensions for breaking the rules of his suspension. So, unless you believe that " a man " acts correctly in not accepting punishment, you are just flat out wrong.

Personally I thought Dutrow was great before the Derby and I gained real respect for him. Maybe he was a bit crass.....but the bottom line was that he said his horse was much the best before the race and he was absolutely right. However, that doesn't change history. But, Dutrow never claimed it did. You, on the other hand, are trying your hardest to.

It's not working.

Huh?
Got caught. Served time. Got caught while serving time. Parlole Violation! Did more days. And if he got caught during those days,....

You carved up what I said too fine. If the racing world was truly aghast at his transgressions, he and many other aggressive style trainers would not exist. It's really no different than the issue of the Uninsured. If people in position to make change really cared enough to do so, it would change. The fact that it's complicated and states regs rule is just b.s.. If the states, tracks, owners and horsemen wanted change, they'd change. But they don't want change. Dutrow is not the only one. He's just the loudest and most plain spoken. And if he was not hugely successful, no one would care.

Hell of a hockey game going on. Quadruple overtime. I'd like Dallas to win.

What happened to the show? I went to YB/PtW and got last year's.

[The Bid]

Ive personally had a poor experience with IEAH, but find that pretty commonplace in racing.

Them being disliked for straight success is foolish. There are many other reasons to dislike them. What they have done in racing in such a short period of time is very difficult to do, regardless of the amount of money you have. The Arabs have unlimited funds and they havent came close to having the best Turf Miler, Derby winner, and arguably best sprinter in the country all at once. Think about that for a minute.....No matter how much you like, dislike, or cant stand them, and Im in that final group, the feat is remarkable.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Ive personally had a poor experience with IEAH, but find that pretty commonplace in racing.

Them being disliked for straight success is foolish. There are many other reasons to dislike them. What they have done in racing in such a short period of time is very difficult to do, regardless of the amount of money you have. The Arabs have unlimited funds and they havent came close to having the best Turf Miler, Derby winner, and arguably best sprinter in the country all at once. Think about that for a minute.....No matter how much you like, dislike, or cant stand them, and Im in that final group, the feat is remarkable.

What the NY Yankees have done is remarkeable too, but that doesn't stop people from disliking Steinbrenner, or Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. Even assuming all of IEAH's horses are clean, it still doesn't mean you have to "like" them..and that is probably good for horse racing. You need hereos and villians to stir up interest outside the core.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Huh?
Got caught. Served time. Got caught while serving time. Parlole Violation! Did more days. And if he got caught during those days,....

You carved up what I said too fine. If the racing world was truly aghast at his transgressions, he and many other aggressive style trainers would not exist. It's really no different than the issue of the Uninsured. If people in position to make change really cared enough to do so, it would change. The fact that it's complicated and states regs rule is just b.s.. If the states, tracks, owners and horsemen wanted change, they'd change. But they don't want change. Dutrow is not the only one. He's just the loudest and most plain spoken. And if he was not hugely successful, no one would care.

Hell of a hockey game going on. Quadruple overtime. I'd like Dallas to win.

What happened to the show? I went to YB/PtW and got last year's.

Well, certainly the industry does many things wrong, but that doesn't exonerate anybody who breaks the rules ( whoever they are ). I find that to be flawed logic.

As for the show, we may do one for the Belmont, but I don't know yet. Youbet made a big financial commitment to the show last year and unfortunately 2007 was a tough year for them. Combine that with the fact that I am doing other projects right now and you have a show in limbo. They were great to work with, and I appreciate the opportunity they gave me, and hope we can at least do something together this year. I'll let you know. Thanks for asking.

[jpops757]

The original owner of Kip {50%] is a retired Dallas firefighter who has dabbled in horses in texas and ok for years. He retained 5% of his 50% and has no resentment whatsoever towards IEAH, Why should so many on this board have so much venom when the ownership that sold the horse dosent, IEAH took him along for the successful ride. Another byproduct Is the breader has doubled his stud fee since Kips success. While Kipling is still just a 5figure fee. They bring some of the little guys along with them.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What's not to admire and respect? Think about it.

Suspensions, so what? That's some kind of attitude. Yeah, who cares about stuff like rules?

I don't have any racing role models.

They almost all get days. They almost all break rules from time to time. What makes him different?

Good for you on the role models thing!

[sumitas]

They have big plans.
http://thoroughbredtimes.com/nationa...Big-Brown.aspx

[philcski]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

So you guys saying Big Brown must be juiced as well

Absolutely not inferring that by my story. The horse was a monster when they bought him, and Dutrow did a great job to be patient with him.

[sumitas]

Paulick has always been a serious, thought provoking writer. A lot of concerns are raised by this article about Big Brown and his connections.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by sumitas

Paulick has always been a serious, thought provoking writer. A lot of concerns are raised by this article about Big Brown and his connections.

I read the article...yes, Big Brown did make it look easier than it's supposed to be...just like Secretariat and his son, Risen Star made it look so easy in the Belmont, Kincsem made every race look easy in her long career...great horse do that! Time will tell if BB is truly a great horse, a shooting star, or something else. I simply will enjoy the ride as long as it lasts...as yesterday proved once again...emotional continuity is not a product of horse racing!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

So you guys saying Big Brown must be juiced as well

not necessarily. but can you really be sure?