Triple Crown?

[sdjcom]

Hello Handicappers,
Iv'e Heard For Weeks From All The Writers And Pundits How Big Brown Had No Bottom, Beyer Said This , He Hasn't Had A Derby Pick In 20 Yrs. How To Inexperience He Was. I'll Take
Talent Over That Anytime. They All Saw The Same Race I Did In Florida Out Of The 12 Hole And How He Did It. No Horse This Year Has Come Close To This Performance. I Touted Him From The Get-go,
That's Right I'll Blow My Own Horn. Steve Davidowitz Blogs, Chat Rooms And Forums Are For The Fans , Not Professional Writers As You Suggest, Hell You What All The Attention.

[Danzig]

oh, shut the hell up

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

Hello Handicappers,
Iv'e Heard For Weeks From All The Writers And Pundits How Big Brown Had No Bottom, Beyer Said This , He Hasn't Had A Derby Pick In 20 Yrs. How To Inexperience He Was. I'll Take
Talent Over That Anytime. They All Saw The Same Race I Did In Florida Out Of The 12 Hole And How He Did It. No Horse This Year Has Come Close To This Performance. I Touted Him From The Get-go,
That's Right I'll Blow My Own Horn. Steve Davidowitz Blogs, Chat Rooms And Forums Are For The Fans , Not Professional Writers As You Suggest, Hell You What All The Attention.

wow ... you picked a 5-2 shot in the derby....you are an expert! i lost.... do i care.....hell no i'll bet against the favorite next year too. just the way i bet. but when i win it pays more than 7 dollars.

[CSC]

It's really early to talk Triple Crown but it seems to be the obvious question on most people's mind when we have a derby winner.

The major difference what we have this year is the lack of depth of top 3 yr olds as we had in 2007.

So I guess unless someone shows some promise or ascension in their form, Big Brown may be the best chance of a triple crown winner in years.

Then Just one question, why am I not excited?

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

The headline read; "Don't put your money on Big Brown in the Derby"

Ouch!

The horse was not even that tired.
He is the best. He ran tough the whole
way.

Injuries stop him or else something we
have not seen yet:

A horse in front of him and to his outside
while he takes dirt in the face. They just keep
him wide cause he is so damn good.

And on that turn for home he very athletically
powered to the inside once clear. Pretty awesome.

But has yet to be trapped and eat some ground.
Got to see that, waiting to see him react to that.
Just cant envision the set up with this years group.
Should be interesting.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by CSC

It's really early to talk Triple Crown but it seems to be the obvious question on most people's mind when we have a derby winner.

The major difference what we have this year is the lack of depth of top 3 yr olds as we had in 2007.

So I guess unless someone shows some promise or ascension in their form, Big Brown may be the best chance of a triple crown winner in years.

Then Just one question, why am I not excited?

After the Barbaro fiasco, in which TC talk was very strong after a similar Derby performance, I suppose people are resigned to not giving their hopes up anymore.

The difference this year is that there doesn't seem to be any Bernadini (who was still 12-1 in the Preakness nonetheless) on the horizon, unless that Harlem Rocker gets rerouted from Canada.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

After the Barbaro fiasco, in which TC talk was very strong after a similar Derby performance, I suppose people are resigned to not giving their hopes up anymore.

The difference this year is that there doesn't seem to be any Bernadini (who was still 12-1 in the Preakness nonetheless) on the horizon, unless that Harlem Rocker gets rerouted from Canada.

Canadian horses don't usually do well in American Triple Crown events with the exception of Northern Dancer and Sunny's Halo. Alydeed finished second in the Preakness off the Derby Trial, I guess you can make a case that Touch Gold was a product of Canadian racing, ran as a 2 yr old at Woodbine and was by a Canadian Sire and Mare the only exception was he bred in the U.S but it sure looks like there aren't too many new shooters on the horizon. Dahaar and Awesome Again were also late developers.

If Big Brown does go on to win the Triple Crown, the comparisons to Seattle Slew will be inevitible. There was some debate of his greatness due to the question that he didn't have the toughest competition to beat that year either and it was only his race against Affirmed and Exceller that solidified his reputation afterward that respect followed.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by CSC

Canadian horses don't usually do well in American Triple Crown events with the exception of Northern Dancer and Sunny's Halo. Alydeed finished second in the Preakness off the Derby Trial, I guess you can make a case that Touch Gold was a product of Canadian racing, ran as a 2 yr old at Woodbine and was by a Canadian Sire and Mare the only exception was he bred in the U.S but it sure looks like there aren't too many new shooters on the horizon. Dahaar and Awesome Again were also late developers.

Harlem Rocker comes out of Pletcher's barn though (which gives him a better chance of showing up at Pimlico). He isn't a product of Canadian racing.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Harlem Rocker comes out of Pletcher's barn though (which gives him a better chance of showing up at Pimlico). He isn't a product of Canadian racing.

He's an interesting horse and it is hard to guess which route Frank Stronach takes with this horse, since Stronach is a Canadian citizen he may choose the Plate. With Touch Gold he didn't have a choice but with Awesome Again who I think was trained by David Hoffmans at the time he chose the Plate. Maybe this horse turns up at Belmont to break up the party.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

wow ... you picked a 5-2 shot in the derby....you are an expert! i lost.... do i care.....hell no i'll bet against the favorite next year too. just the way i bet. but when i win it pays more than 7 dollars.

I would change my bets for 7 buck in a second.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I took a stand against Big Brown and was wrong. But man, do you have a lot of nerve. For over a week now all you have done is write in post after post how you don't like Big Brown. So he wins and you insult people that picked him. Nice....

Good point Hossy. I didn't have the exacta or a thing for that matter.
Congrats to those that did. With that said, I just think this thing is a tank.
Looks real good.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Unless some new horses emerge, who beats him at Pimlico? Harlem Rocker is still at this point being pointed towards the Queens Plate. The Zito that won the first at Churchill today is obviously real nice, but I doubt we see him back so quick. Who else is there? I think the only thing that can get this horse beat in the next 5 weeks is himself (his feet).

This is so true

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

This is so true

Well, our Derby winner cruised over a nondescript field (exception the utterly classy Eight Belles) in a race that started in 23:30, and slowed from there to a rather glacial 2:01:82, considering how fast the track was playing today.

Granted, he was never pressured and just did his own thing. But my gosh, the rest of them are indeed proving themselves terrible!

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Mumtaz

Well, our Derby winner cruised over a nondescript field (exception the utterly classy Eight Belles) in a race that started in 23:30, and slowed from there to a rather glacial 2:01:82, considering how fast the track was playing today.

Granted, he was never pressured and just did his own thing. But my gosh, the rest of them are indeed proving themselves terrible!

Glacial?

The horse is a beast, there was nothing "glacial" about his run today.

[sumitas]

I do hope a horse knocks this guy off. It's gonna be tough tho.

I think Col John can do it. For sure his connections have much much more class than IEH or whatever they call themselves.

[dalakhani]

triple crown (barring injury) is a forgone conclusion. In saying that, it doesnt mean that he is better than any of the other horses that looked great winning the derby over the last couple of years only to come up short. Rather, it is more a reflection on how bad the rest of this crop is. There is no one running that is even close.