Where to bet Churchill ?

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by hurricanefrank

Thankfully the local dog track here in St Petersburg - Derby Lane - has full card simulcasting of races from Churchill Downs. That said, what's going on between horsemen and track operators has me feeling like I did with the '94 MLB strike. And I've never overcome that. Without bettors there are no tracks or horsemen. That point doesn't seem to resonate strongly enough with those arguing over how much of a percentage of simulcast revenue should be earmarked for purses. Bettors getting the shaft is nothing new. We've been getting for years.

I guess it's those down in S Florida who are getting F#cked. Stopped by Palm Beach Kennel Club today.......they were showing only Belmont until Bay mEadows/Hollywood starts up. No CD.....No Pimlico.....pretty sad sight.

[citycat]

It is being rumored in Louisville that if this is not worked out with the horseman CD is going to cut purses by 30% the week after Derby. This could get really ugly.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by citycat

It is being rumored in Louisville that if this is not worked out with the horseman CD is going to cut purses by 30% the week after Derby. This could get really ugly.

This better get done real quickly.If not, then call the day off.You can't give them purse money if they aren't allowing the bets to be made that pay the purses. They've basically stole money from the track for 5 days now.The track should of shut down as soon as they started this bullshit.If they want to go on strike,then don't pay them while they are doing it....DUH.

[stonegossard]

Calder is killing themselves.....not sure if this means other outlets in Florida will have the races today..the last paragraph kind of implies that...unless Palm Beach Kennel Club and other outlets down here get the CD signal through Calder.....


No Oaks, Derby Wagering for Calder
Email Print RSS by Tom LaMarra
Date Posted: May 2, 2008
Last Updated: May 2, 2008

Because of the dispute over simulcast fees and revenue, Calder Race Course will not offer wagering on the May 2 Kentucky Oaks (gr. I) and May 3 Kentucky Derby Presented by Yum! Brands (gr. I), as well as all other races on the two programs.

According to a statement from Calder owner Churchill Downs Inc., the Kentucky Horsemen’s Benevolent and Protective Association won’t consent to the signal export. In late April, the Florida HBPA pulled its approval for Calder to export its signal to out-of-state wagering outlets and advance deposit wagering companies.

The Florida HBPA and Kentucky HBPA are members of the Thoroughbred Horsemen’s Group, which is attempting to negotiate a better return on revenue from various pari-mutuel sources, including ADW.

“It’s very disappointing that fans in the South Florida marketplace are being denied the opportunity to wager on the Kentucky Derby, the country’s most important horse race,” Churchill Downs president Steve Sexton said in a May 1 statement. “We have an impressive race day and wish the horsemen would allow Calder’s patrons to enjoy it.

“We have attempted to discuss a purse contract with the Florida horsemen, but they refuse to do so without a slots agreement, on which we have diligently tried to reach resolution over the last several months. This demand is especially frustrating since 2008 purses will not be affected by the slots agreement. At a time when our sport’s visibility is at its highest, the horsemen have chosen to alienate new fans and abandon existing fans.”

Calder has been approved to install slot machines but hasn’t announced a start-up date.

THG officials and representatives of individual horsemen’s groups have said a change in the pari-mutuel revenue model is necessary. They currently are targeting ADW.

“Since its inception, ADWs recognized the distinct possibility that there would be a significant downturn in wagering at racetracks,” Kentucky HBPA president Rick Hiles said in a letter sent to Kentucky horsemen in late April. “Early on, they initiated ‘bettor-poaching fees,’ later referred to as ‘source-market fees,’ to address the erosion of betting at the racetrack where horsemen receive a larger share of the wagering dollar. Later, ADWs decided to increase the host fees as opposed to source-market fees, but in the end, while ADWs enjoyed immense profits from siphoning off betting patrons at the racetrack, horsemen continued to experience a decline in purses.

“Experts continue to lament that the model is broke, but no one seems to have an answer on how it should be fixed. Exacerbating the problem is that now several racetracks have entered into the national ADW business. Therefore, while the ADWs flourish and racetracks profit from their ownership of the ADWs, horsemen’s problems with a lower share of the wagering dollar are compounded. With this backdrop, horsemen have decided that the time has come to restructure the model to assure that horsemen are receiving an equitable share of wagering revenue.

“It was never our intention to alienate the betting public; we are simply attempting to assure that horsemen can continue to provide the quality of racing with reasonable purses that everyone richly deserves.”

CDI owns and operates the TwinSpires.com ADW service. TwinSpires.com will only offer wagering on the Oaks, Derby, and May 3 Woodford Reserve Stakes (gr. IT). The ADW provider will not be able to offer wagering on other races on the two Churchill programs.

Churchill said wagering on the May 2-3 programs will be available at all other tracks and off-track betting outlets in the United States execpt for two Indiana OTB parlors in Clarksville and Evansville. Churchill and Kentucky horsemen for years have kept the Kentucky Thoroughbred signals out of those two Indiana Downs-owned facilities, which border Kentucky.

[bogeydaman]

Can't believe 2 weeks later I am still asking the question, but........ Does anyone know where to bet the Preakness day card (and Friday's) card in the South Florida area?

There's really not much hope for this industry.

There should be widespread outrage and a call for action and this story has been merely a footnote since the derby.

Churchill seems to be completely apathetic when it concerns the fans. And I definitely don't have much support for the horsemen who are contributing to this mess, whether their intentions are good or bad. It's outrageous.

[ceejay]

Originally Posted by bogeydaman

Can't believe 2 weeks later I am still asking the question, but........ Does anyone know where to bet the Preakness day card (and Friday's) card in the South Florida area?

Ain't the racing business grand.

[VOL JACK]

You guys in fla are going to have to fly down here in St. Kitts and join me for the Preakness. Glad they didnt bar the signal from the west indies.