Derby Trail Forums

Go Back   Derby Trail Forums > Main Forum > The Paddock
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-07-2006, 07:32 AM
oracle80
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Balletto
I agree with most your points. I must say, I went from zero to ten on the excitement level for the Travers!
Yeah that is great huh? Boy was I not expecting that!!!!!! I mean I had conceded the Travers to Bernadini(reluctantly) and on the far turn yesterday I screamed wow this race is over!!! I didn't expect that tactical speed from the 8 pp and talk about easy, wow. When they turned for home those ears were pricked and he was having the time of his life. This is most definitely a new and improved version of Bluegrass Cat. That was not the same horse who ran in the Tri Crown races.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-07-2006, 08:13 AM
Betsy Betsy is offline
Randwyck
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,303
Default

LOL So now Bluegrass Cat wins the Travers in a walkover.......Bernardini does the same thing in the Preakness and yet the race doesn't count (in only his 4th start, first around two turns no less), but Bluegrass Cat is awesome? I am not knocking BC (see my posts, obviously), but I do find the attitude amusing.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-07-2006, 08:16 AM
miraja2's Avatar
miraja2 miraja2 is offline
Arlington Park
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago
Posts: 4,157
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Betsy
LOL So now Bluegrass Cat wins the Travers in a walkover........
Who said that? I don't recall anyone saying that.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-07-2006, 08:23 AM
oracle80
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Betsy
LOL So now Bluegrass Cat wins the Travers in a walkover.......Bernardini does the same thing in the Preakness and yet the race doesn't count (in only his 4th start, first around two turns no less), but Bluegrass Cat is awesome? I am not knocking BC (see my posts, obviously), but I do find the attitude amusing.
Betsy I find you amusing as well. Noone said anything about BC winning the race in a walkover. I don't see any posts referring to that made by anyone. I think you are way to hypersensitive to Bern. Ok, so now he has a true competitor in the Travers, you think after that performance yesterday that its off base to say that? Look Betsy, one horse won easily against Ministers Bid and Hemingways Key. The other agaisnt Strong Contender. I don't see any difference between the two and quite frankly even with three weeks would rather have Pletcher in my corner. Bernadini is obviously more established and more talented at this point. But its no longer a walkover for him. Bright One is pretty special as well and will provide pace. No damn way Berandini outruns him early, none. Bright One is a very fast animal. And no way does he not get a challenge in the lane from BC. Bottom line is this, hes gonna get tested early, in between and late in the Travers and will have to work to win it. If you feel that these statements are off the mark then it is you that I find amusing.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-07-2006, 08:43 AM
ArlJim78 ArlJim78 is offline
Newmarket
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 6,549
Default

Great, only three more weeks of this debate to go!

Question: is it certain the BGC will run in the Travers? I thought I heard Pletcher make a remark that 20 days was a little tight.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-07-2006, 08:49 AM
oracle80
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ArlJim78
Great, only three more weeks of this debate to go!

Question: is it certain the BGC will run in the Travers? I thought I heard Pletcher make a remark that 20 days was a little tight.
ArlJim he wouldn't commit but he said if he bounced out ok he would see. Johnny raved about him after the race and I'm sure if this horse comes out of the race ok that he will go. One thing about the three weeks rest I will say, bounces seem to affect horses off a top coming back in less than a month more severely when they are lightly raced and do not have a solid foundation. Cat has danced a lot of dances and I truly don't think he would bounce to the moon, especially since Todd's smart enough to train him lightly and just gallop him into the race. A repeat of that effort yesterday may not beat Bernadini but it will make Bernadini give his all.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-07-2006, 09:20 AM
KY_Sasquash KY_Sasquash is offline
Golden Gate
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 365
Default

A heads up to those that saw Bluegrass Cat washed out. no need to worry about that hindering his performance (stating the obvious b/c he won so impressively) he was washed up in the derby and even acted up on the track too, its just that storm cat coming out in him.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-07-2006, 08:23 AM
miraja2's Avatar
miraja2 miraja2 is offline
Arlington Park
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago
Posts: 4,157
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by oracle80
This is most definitely a new and improved version of Bluegrass Cat. That was not the same horse who ran in the Tri Crown races.
He definitely ran the race of his life yesterday, but the Bluegrass Cat that ran in the TC races was pretty good too. He beat a lot of quality horses in the derby and was beaten only by a genuine superstar. Then he was ridiculously wide in a 12f race and still beat decent horses like Stepenwolfer and Sunriver and was right there challenging the leader at the finish.
The horse he was battling down in Tampa this winter/spring (Deputy Glitters) proved in the Ohio Derby that he can run a pretty good race when he feels like it, and the only reason DG turned the tables on him in the Tampa Bay was because BC threw a shoe. The horse has been a solid competitor all year. Now he has simply taken the next step. If he and Bright One are both healthy enough to make it to the Travers it should be an interesting betting race.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-07-2006, 08:45 AM
oracle80
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by miraja2
He definitely ran the race of his life yesterday, but the Bluegrass Cat that ran in the TC races was pretty good too. He beat a lot of quality horses in the derby and was beaten only by a genuine superstar. Then he was ridiculously wide in a 12f race and still beat decent horses like Stepenwolfer and Sunriver and was right there challenging the leader at the finish.
The horse he was battling down in Tampa this winter/spring (Deputy Glitters) proved in the Ohio Derby that he can run a pretty good race when he feels like it, and the only reason DG turned the tables on him in the Tampa Bay was because BC threw a shoe. The horse has been a solid competitor all year. Now he has simply taken the next step. If he and Bright One are both healthy enough to make it to the Travers it should be an interesting betting race.
Yeah miraja but he had gears yesterday. He also was thrilled to be doing what he was doing. He wasn't all out being scrubbed on to give his best. Ears were flipping and pricked and he was having a ball and looked to truly enjoy the hell out of what he was doing. Something turned his attitude around.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-07-2006, 10:07 AM
Thunder Gulch's Avatar
Thunder Gulch Thunder Gulch is offline
Churchill Downs
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Southland Greyhound Park
Posts: 1,846
Default

Bernandini was friggin awesome last week, but BGC certainly appears to be a top notch 3yo as well. Pletcher has been a little warm this year as well.
__________________
Do I think Charity can win? Well, I am walking around in yesterday's suit.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 08-07-2006, 10:15 AM
jpops757 jpops757 is offline
Sheepshead Bay
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Garland tx [Dallas area]
Posts: 1,103
Default

If the Cat passes on the Travers, where would he prep? I would think Pletcher would use a race at CD if it fite the time limitations. Also another race over the BC surface. I dont think Pletcher would avoid Bernardini but he is generaly 2 or 3 moves ahead of everyone else and is thinking about what is best for his horse. Does anyone have a picture of BGC before the derby and a current one> I ay be wrong but to me physicaly he looks so much more developed, biger, and more mature. I would like to see a comparison.

Last edited by jpops757 : 08-07-2006 at 10:22 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 08-07-2006, 10:25 AM
oracle80
 
Posts: n/a
Default

You know something, I thought how great his race was would be lost by many but it appears that many of you appreciated just how great it was. I thought I would be fighting an uphill battle on here trying to extoll the virtues of that awesome performance but you guys are already starting threads or replying with questions about him in the BCC!! WHich means I have missed something as well. That race he ran was so good that he may not care if he wins the Travers, he may try to plot a course to honestly have a shot in the BCC. One things for sure, if hes not ready to run in the Travers he won't be in there.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 08-07-2006, 10:29 AM
Balletto
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Oracle, I was extremely impressed by his demeanor during the race. He just seemed to be out there toying around. My question is, and yes its VERY hypothetical, but if he were to skip the Travers and win the BCC, does that put him in the dog fight for champion 3 yo with Bernardini (assuming Bernardini wins the Travers)? It seems like it could go either way at that point. Again, very hypothetical, but hey, im caught in the moment!
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:49 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.