Cleveland Indians

[Mortimer]

I didn't see any of the game.

I can't afford a tv is why.





But I can't discuss Here's Jhonny with you. ...you think he's a swell defensive ss and I think he's from hell defensively.Let others decide.

[Storm Cadet]

There's more Indians stuff here than in the Cleveland Plains Dealer!

[Mortimer]

That's because they let Terry Neptune talk about 78 different things in his 25 alloted columns.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Avery_Smartman

I didn't see any of the game.

I can't afford a tv is why.





But I can't discuss Here's Jhonny with you. ...you think he's a swell defensive ss and I think he's from hell defensively.Let others decide.

No, I never said swell. I said he is an average to slightly above average defensive shortstop is what I said...a far cry from hell defensively. His defense is rarely....if ever a hindrance to the team's winning. I do agree that Cabrera would certainly be a better full time "defensive" player at the position by a lot. At worst, however, I think Peralta is a .270/ 20-25 home run guy...so he'd have to be "really" bad defensively to send him away...and he simply isn't a "really" bad defensive player despite your's and Bid's ramblings.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

No, I never said swell. I said he is an average to slightly above average defensive shortstop is what I said...a far cry from hell defensively. His defense is rarely....if ever a hindrance to the team's winning. I agree that Cabrera would certainly be a better full time "defensive" player at the position by a lot. At worst, however, I think Peralta is a .270/ 20-25 home run guy...so he'd have to be "really" bad defensively to send him away...and he simply isn't a "really" bad defensive player despite your's and Bid's ramblings.

Don't you ever get off it?


He IS bad defensively...watch him fer Gosh sakes...he's bad mainly because of all the balls he can't get to. ...and you're not exactly quoting huge offensive numbers there. SS is a DEFENSIVE position...the most important one in fair territory. The Indians don't understand that and neither do you.

[Mortimer]

And where the fucl< do you get ''at worst"????



That's his BEST over the last 2 years and the rate he is going this year!!

[horseofcourse]

HE gets to plenty of balls and has a very good arm. His assists, putouts, DPs are in the upper tier every single year. He simply is not a bad defensive player. You are like the LeBron witnesses...they see no wrong...there are Peralta witnesses who have taken to the theory that he is the worst defensive player ever and it simply is not true...or even close to that...the same thing you criticize witnesses for you do EXACTLY the same thing with Peralta. He made an excellent defensive play in the 9th inning of a tie game and it played a key part in a win. Your response to that?? you don't have a TV...excellent. Yet somehow you watch him play. Of course I always lie so what I said couldn't be true. Would Cabrera be a better defensive player there...of course. I think you lose a lot more offense with Barfield instead of Peralta than defense playing Cabrera at short and Barfield at 2nd. IN other words, I think you're losing more offense than what you may be gaining defensively with Barfield at 2nd and Cabrera at short. The Indians had the best record in baseball last year with Peralta playing short. They really did. So his defense cost them what??? Who was their best hitter in post season last year??

Exactly.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

HE gets to plenty of balls and has a very good arm. His assists, putouts, DPs are in the upper tier every single year. He simply is not a bad defensive player. You are like the LeBron witnesses...they see no wrong...there are Peralta witnesses who have taken to the theory that he is the worst defensive player ever and it simply is not true...or even close to that...the same thing you criticize witnesses for you do EXACTLY the same thing with Peralta. He made an excellent defensive play in the 9th inning of a tie game and it played a key part in a win. Your response to that?? you don't have a TV...excellent. Yet somehow you watch him play. Of course I always lie so what I said couldn't be true. Would Cabrera be a better defensive player there...of course. I think you lose a lot more offense with Barfield instead of Peralta than defense playing Cabrera at short and Barfield at 2nd. IN other words, I think you're losing more offense than what you may be gaining defensively with Barfield at 2nd and Cabrera at short. The Indians had the best record in baseball last year with Peralta playing short. They really did. So his defense cost them what??? Who was their best hitter in post season last year??

Exactly.

Your arguments are pathetic..they really are.



Why did they do so poorly in '06 then? He was the ss...right?


EXACTLY.

They got as far as they did because of their pitching last year.When it went south...so did the Indians.The hitting was bad the last third of the year...it continues now,although the pitching looks like it just may well be as good as last year.

They had a chance to tighten up the defense and they just won't do it.

[Mortimer]

I'm wondering if BrownSugar has one of those false bottom horsey caskets ??

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Avery_Smartman

Your arguments are pathetic..they really are.



Why did they do so poorly in '06 then? He was the ss...right?


EXACTLY.

They got as far as they did because of their pitching last year.When it went south...so did the Indians.The hitting was bad the last third of the year...it continues now,although the pitching looks like it just may well be as good as last year.

They had a chance to tighten up the defense and they just won't do it.

My point being his defense is not the determining factor in their winning or losing. This post just supports everything I've said. Thank you. they had great pitching in 2005 and nearly made post season. The bullpen was wretched in 2006 and they lost, their pitching was great last year and they were in the playoffs.

In essence, Peralta's defense really plays no part in anything...it doesn't really hurt or help them at all...(despite the terrific play in the 9th yesterday!!) Which is what I've been saying all along. Thank you for finally agreeing with me here. At last.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Avery_Smartman

And where the fucl< do you get ''at worst"????



That's his BEST over the last 2 years and the rate he is going this year!!

That's simply an opinion. I'm averaging his last THREE years. You conveniently ignore 2005 which is fine if you want to do that.

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse

That's simply an opinion. I'm averaging his last THREE years. You conveniently ignore 2005 which is fine if you want to do that.

In other words he's getting WORSE!

You act like he won the fucl<in' triple crown in '05.



You are truly the idiot you purport to be here.Many,many,many people ( writers included) think Peralta is a bad defensive ss ....a BAD defensive ss. He cannot get to balls a good ss would get to. He fogs out upstairs.....he does have a strong arm and turns the dp well....but HE HAS NO RANGE.



HE HAS NO RANGE......and he will not charge ground balls....he backs up on them and turns out into hits or errors.

You really are the biggest imbecile I have ever met.


Unbelieveable.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Avery_Smartman

In other words he's getting WORSE!

You act like he won the fucl<in' triple crown in '05.



You are truly the idiot you purport to be here.Many,many,many people ( writers included) think Peralta is a bad defensive ss ....a BAD defensive ss. He cannot get to balls a good ss would get to. He fogs out upstairs.....he does have a strong arm and turns the dp well....but HE HAS NO RANGE.



HE HAS NO RANGE......and he will not charge ground balls....he backs up on them and turns out into hits or errors.

You really are the biggest imbecile I have ever met.


Unbelieveable.

Fine. Your'e all wrong. He is not bad. He is at worst an average defensive shortstop. You have never met me sir. I'm simply the biggest imbecile you've ever read on an internet board. Let's not get carried away here.