Improving the product

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Gambling venues should not be charging for admission. They should be begging you to come in.

Funny how us real horse players think alike, and the neophytes look at it like going to the ZOO.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Funny how us real horse players think alike, and the neophytes look at it like going to the ZOO.

i guess i'm a neophyte, since i can afford two dollars to get into the track.
if a hard core gambler hasn't got 8 quarters to get in, i don't see how he's going to last long at the window once inside.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i guess i'm a neophyte, since i can afford two dollars to get into the track.
if a hard core gambler hasn't got 8 quarters to get in, i don't see how he's going to last long at the window once inside.

This is so much the wrong attitude that I am genuinely surprised. The horseplayer that enters a racetrack pays PLENTY by wagering. Even if he ( or she ) only puts $100 through the windows in a day they are contributing roughly $20 to the racetrack....are you suggesting they should be expected to pay an additional $2 ( or more ) for the right to help racing in this manner?

But, nowadays it's actually even worse. With the majority of the money wagered these days going in through simulcasting, host tracks receive only a fragment of most of their wagering takeout, thus on-track dollars are even more precious. So, yes, asking people to pay for the right to wager at their facility is puzzling.

But, then again, at least you have the State of NY on your side, as they have effectively forbidden NYRA to allow their players in for free.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This is so much the wrong attitude that I am genuinely surprised. The horseplayer that enters a racetrack pays PLENTY by wagering. Even if he ( or she ) only puts $100 through the windows in a day they are contributing roughly $20 to the racetrack....are you suggesting they should be expected to pay an additional $2 ( or more ) for the right to help racing in this manner?

But, nowadays it's actually even worse. With the majority of the money wagered these days going in through simulcasting, host tracks receive only a fragment of most of their wagering takeout, thus on-track dollars are even more precious. So, yes, asking people to pay for the right to wager at their facility is puzzling.

But, then again, at least you have the State of NY on your side, as they have effectively forbidden NYRA to allow their players in for free.

i guess i just don't see it as a big deal. on the one hand, it's a small amount, so you might wonder why they bother at all. on the other, it's such a small amount, you wonder how it could keep someone from attending.
as for people on my side, i don't feel i have anyone there as my state only allows me to wager at the track itself. no online, no tvg, nothing. so i'm really hamstrung about how i can spend my money.
this thread is about improving the product. i think the $2 entry fee is a tremendously small part of a far larger problem, a declining fan base.

who knows, maybe if the tracks got rid of the fee, and trumpeted 'free admission', you might get a few more in there. for me personally, i don't have a problem with paying $2 to enter the track.

maybe they could put that fee towards more advertising. or towards horse rescue/retirement.

Originally Posted by Danzig

i guess i just don't see it as a big deal. on the one hand, it's a small amount, so you might wonder why they bother at all. on the other, it's such a small amount, you wonder how it could keep someone from attending.
as for people on my side, i don't feel i have anyone there as my state only allows me to wager at the track itself. no online, no tvg, nothing. so i'm really hamstrung about how i can spend my money.
this thread is about improving the product. i think the $2 entry fee is a tremendously small part of a far larger problem, a declining fan base.

who knows, maybe if the tracks got rid of the fee, and trumpeted 'free admission', you might get a few more in there. for me personally, i don't have a problem with paying $2 to enter the track.

maybe they could put that fee towards more advertising. or towards horse rescue/retirement.

My particular statement was for the benefit of the gambler
who actually plans, or needs to make money at a track.
I would think that would be the miniscule few.

So your statement
is not odd at all. Are the tracks actually supposed to provide a
venue for some people willing to look very closely and study horse
racing and betting... a venue for them to live off of... Live off the
people that bet purely for entertainment.

I dont think so. But the tracks themselves need to attract
people to the track if revenue is lost in large amounts due
to the internets vast illegal use of the track's product.

Vegas seems to have done just fine with their house games
which are automatic losing propositions for everyone that
plays enough.

Originally Posted by Danzig

i guess i'm a neophyte, since i can afford two dollars to get into the track.
if a hard core gambler hasn't got 8 quarters to get in, i don't see how he's going to last long at the window once inside.

The estute hardcore gambler would be better off if the casual
player were let in free. Given info for free. Seminars for easy betting
procedures between races.

And 50 cent beer
certainly would not hurt.