Congrats to Bejarano

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Scav

Talamo made the crucial mistake of firing his agent, he needs to get out of California and maybe go back at a later date, think he pissed some people off with that move.

Tyler didn't have that bad of a meet, he rode his ass off as far as total mounts wise. It is good for him.

The up and comer of California is Joel Rosario, as Vic Stauffer said about a year ago, the kid can ride, and he finishes like the old Solis used to. Not to mention about 5-6 tickets recently that he knocked me out of.

Yes. Again, I didn't want to open a Pandora's box or instigate anything, so like I said, I was just kidding. All I remember is the overwhelming great majority of people saying that EB was the one who made a mistake, Joe Talamo made an intelligent business decision, EB was wrong, Joe was right, how could EB not stick with Joe, Joe is a superstar, and so on. I certainly don't want to oversimplify it, however -- this was not reall a case of Joe pissing people off; as much as it was more people realizing (ex post facto) that Joe was getting himself into the spots he was, and it was EB who got him into those spots. There's an entirely different dynamic there.

Anyway, as I said, there is a lot more to that side of the game than meets the eye. There was a drastic shift in Joe's "spots" from before and after. Tyler was the beneficiary of that as well. EB got Tyler riding more than before, and while that was by design, Tyler ended up riding big price horses. You were dead spot on -- Tyler rode almost 20% more than any other top 10 jock. If you very closely followed CA racing, there was money to be made here.


From DRF --

Gomez G K 274 63 38 49 22.99 54.74
Bejarano R 292 61 59 38 20.89 54.11
Baze T 372 51 55 53 13.71 42.74
Rosario J 314 45 40 44 14.33 41.08
Flores D R 311 44 42 35 14.15 38.91
Solis A O 246 41 22 35 16.67 39.84
Baze M C 319 37 49 23 11.60 34.17
Espinoza V 255 34 24 33 13.33 35.69
Garcia M 308 34 33 33 11.04 32.47
Talamo J 316 33 26 37 10.44 30.38


Eric

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by ELA

Yes. Again, I didn't want to open a Pandora's box or instigate anything, so like I said, I was just kidding. All I remember is the overwhelming great majority of people saying that EB was the one who made a mistake, Joe Talamo made an intelligent business decision, EB was wrong, Joe was right, how could EB not stick with Joe, Joe is a superstar, and so on. I certainly don't want to oversimplify it, however -- this was not reall a case of Joe pissing people off; as much as it was more people realizing (ex post facto) that Joe was getting himself into the spots he was, and it was EB who got him into those spots. There's an entirely different dynamic there.

Anyway, as I said, there is a lot more to that side of the game than meets the eye. There was a drastic shift in Joe's "spots" from before and after. Tyler was the beneficiary of that as well. EB got Tyler riding more than before, and while that was by design, Tyler ended up riding big price horses. You were dead spot on -- Tyler rode almost 20% more than any other top 10 jock. If you very closely followed CA racing, there was money to be made here.


From DRF --

Gomez G K 274 63 38 49 22.99 54.74
Bejarano R 292 61 59 38 20.89 54.11
Baze T 372 51 55 53 13.71 42.74
Rosario J 314 45 40 44 14.33 41.08
Flores D R 311 44 42 35 14.15 38.91
Solis A O 246 41 22 35 16.67 39.84
Baze M C 319 37 49 23 11.60 34.17
Espinoza V 255 34 24 33 13.33 35.69
Garcia M 308 34 33 33 11.04 32.47
Talamo J 316 33 26 37 10.44 30.38


Eric

Joe made the right choice when the opertunity come to sign with Scotty and if Joe sticks to his word and shows up to work in the morning he could move to the top.

The top 10 in So Cal could ride anywhere in the country and do well, with the right agent.

P.S. Solis needs to find another line of work. He ain't never coming back

[ELA]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

Joe made the right choice when the opertunity come to sign with Scotty and if Joe sticks to his word and shows up to work in the morning he could move to the top.

The top 10 in So Cal could ride anywhere in the country and do well, with the right agent.

P.S. Solis needs to find another line of work. He ain't never coming back

I guess we'll soon see what "direction" Joe goes in and if there is a change in direction. Scotty is without question a good agent and he picked up a hot commodity. This is not a function of Scotty however and I am sure Joe's work habits are not behind the recent results. His work habits are his work habits, and he'll either work in the morning or he won't. I don't think EB was a better babysitter than Scotty could prove to be, not that a babysitter is needed here, but we are not talking about rookies here either.

Time will tell.

Eric

[SCUDSBROTHER]

race 7 Santa Anita 12-30-07

Look at Solis on Yasinisi.If you're an owner,you really want this guy giving away 3rd at the end of a stakes race? Bejarano kept riding hard,and Solis didn't(and he cost an owner some money.)

[Danzig]

and people pose the question of why allen jerkins rides up and coming jocks. they're hungry, they'll try harder, even for show or below money.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I wouldn't call the jocks Allen Jerkens sometimes rides "up and coming" - in most cases more like "down and going" or "professional excersize riders"

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I wouldn't call the jocks Allen Jerkens sometimes rides "up and coming" - in most cases more like "down and going" or "professional excersize riders"

yeah, maybe i was being too generous.

blame it on me splitting my time between this and listening to the caps. four-two.

alex the great learns he can score in philly. life is good.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by ELA

I guess we'll soon see what "direction" Joe goes in and if there is a change in direction. Scotty is without question a good agent and he picked up a hot commodity. This is not a function of Scotty however and I am sure Joe's work habits are not behind the recent results. His work habits are his work habits, and he'll either work in the morning or he won't. I don't think EB was a better babysitter than Scotty could prove to be, not that a babysitter is needed here, but we are not talking about rookies here either.

Time will tell.

Eric

I haven't been a big fan of Joe Talamo, but the kid is very likable ( please dont let him turn into a Cory Nakatani )and when givin a horse that is fit and ready to win he does a good job. The rider that I think has a big future is MC Baze, you dont see him fighting to get a horse to rate and they seem to run for him.