Anyone see the Calzaghe-Hopkins fight....

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I didn't see it, I spoke to my dad this morning - he thought Hopkins should have won a 3 point decision.

I guess for more than half of the fight he thought Hopkins was sweeping, including a 10-8 round - but judges have tendenices to give boring close rounds to the guy who's behind...and that makes the final rounds much more important in the overall scoring.

The Associated Press had the fight 114-113 for Hopkins .. pops seemed to think it was a very straight forward 115-112 for Hopkins...but if you didn't bother scoring round-by-round and just watched the fight you'd think he deserved to lose.

Hopkins got beaten the last 5 rounds.
You are going to lose a fight that way.
Hopkins takes rounds off. Its the same
reason he lost to JermaineTaylor twice.
He cant go 12 full rounds anymore.

Punch stats totally Joe C.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Hopkins got beaten the last 5 rounds.
You are going to lose a fight that way.

If you've won the 6 previous rounds 10-9 ... you'd be up a point.

The problem is that most judges make the mistake of scoring rounds comparatively.

If a guy dominates early rounds - and he only very slightly does better through very boring middle rounds where nothing really happens - judges tend to score those rounds comparatively and give them to the guy who's been getting his ass kicked early on.

Maybe it didn't happen to as large of an extent as the cards of my dad (who had Hopkins winning by 3) - or the AP (who had Hopkins winning by 1) would indicate ... but there was a guy who had Hopkins losing by 5 .. and that after he scored a 10-8 round right off the bat.

Hopkins always was a master of doing just enough to win close boring rounds. I find it hard to believe he lossed serveal of them as the 116-111 would indicate - but hey, I haven't even watched the fight yet.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

If you've won the 6 previous rounds 10-9 ... you'd be up a point.

The problem is that most judges make the mistake of scoring rounds comparatively.

If a guy dominates early rounds - and he only very slightly does better through very boring middle rounds where nothing really happens - judges tend to score those rounds comparatively and give them to the guy who's been getting his ass kicked early on.

Maybe it didn't happen to as large of an extent as the cards of my dad (who had Hopkins winning by 3) - or the AP (who had Hopkins winning by 1) would indicate ... but there was a guy who had Hopkins losing by 5 .. and that after he scored a 10-8 round right off the bat.

Hopkins always was a master of doing just enough to win close boring rounds. I find it hard to believe he lossed serveal of them as the 116-111 would indicate - but hey, I haven't even watched the fight yet.

Makes sense. And Hopkins knows this.
But in a fight that is not a blowout,
you cant lose the last five rounds.
Hopkins knows this also. He just could
not do anything about it.

THe Bolded:
And in Hopkins last 3 loses he has been the
master of losing close fights.

Kinda sad. Because in his prime (the pummeling of Tito)
he was really very able, smart and a great counter puncher.
He WAS fun to watch.

Now he is purely a business man
who is making the most of his withering ability. He is doing
a great job in this realm. Saying he would never be beaten
by any White Boy(Joe C.). Against J. Taylor he said he would never
get beaten by any hick from Arkansas. He plays the masses
perfectly. Very smart.

[Late Fires]

As usual,
I have
no idea
what
Pee Garden
is talking about.

I had the fight 115-112 for Calzaghe, but there were 4 rounds that I found very difficult to score. I gave 2 to BHop and 2 to Calzaghe, so I can see DrugS' dad and others thinking that Hopkins won.

Either way, the statement that Hopkins is over the hill and should quit is ridiculous. BHop clearly isn't what he once was, but he was very competitive against one of the best 3-4 fighters in the world, wasn't ever hurt, and is still be able to test anyone at 168 or 174. He does a lot of things very well, and I find him interesting to watch. I also have a lot of respect for a guy that has worked his way up from the very bottom to the top. But I guess if Pee Garden thinks it's time to go, he should just hang it up because he lost a close decision to an undefeated fighter.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Late Fires

As usual,
I have
no idea
what
Pee Garden
is talking about.

I had the fight 115-112 for Calzaghe, but there were 4 rounds that I found very difficult to score. I gave 2 to BHop and 2 to Calzaghe, so I can see DrugS' dad and others thinking that Hopkins won.

Either way, the statement that Hopkins is over the hill and should quit is ridiculous. BHop clearly isn't what he once was, but he was very competitive against one of the best 3-4 fighters in the world, wasn't ever hurt, and is still be able to test anyone at 168 or 174. He does a lot of things very well, and I find him interesting to watch. I also have a lot of respect for a guy that has worked his way up from the very bottom to the top. But I guess if Pee Garden thinks it's time to go, he should just hang it up because he lost a close decision to an undefeated fighter.

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[Late Fires]

Originally Posted by Avery_Smartman

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TOO KIND !!

I would think if all goes well, Calzaghe will probably fight and beat Roy Jones, Pavlik will fight once or twice more at 160, and then Pavlilk and Calzaghe will meet at 168.

That will be a very fine fight.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Late Fires

TOO KIND !!

I would think if all goes well, Calzaghe will probably fight and beat Roy Jones, Pavlik will fight once or twice more at 160, and then Pavlilk and Calzaghe will meet at 168.

That will be a very fine fight.

More fine work.







Gee wilikens.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Oh my, what are those? And Fate Lires, I mean Late Fires is correct, as usual.

Hee, Gossy.






Oh fucl<.




















Wait a minute.






































Gee, Hossy.....I thought you knew gold stars when you saw them.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm a little slow.

You have been reading too much of Mr. Blueski's fine work.

[Late Fires]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Oh my, what are those? And Fate Lires, I mean Late Fires is correct, as usual.

Behooved.

After seeing your scorecard, I believe Hossy, Avery Smartman and Late Fires should be the three judges at ringside for Whodey-Zito at Saratoga.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Late Fires

Behooved.

After seeing your scorecard, I believe Hossy, Avery Smartman and Late Fires should be the three judges at ringside for Whodey-Zito at Saratoga.

ror!

Originally Posted by Late Fires

As usual,
I have
no idea
what
Pee Garden
is talking about.

Either way, the statement that Hopkins is over the hill and should quit is ridiculous. BHop clearly isn't what he once was, but he was very competitive against one of the best 3-4 fighters in the world, wasn't ever hurt, and is still be able to test anyone at 168 or 174. He does a lot of things very well, and I find him interesting to watch. I also have a lot of respect for a guy that has worked his way up from the very bottom to the top. But I guess if Pee Garden thinks it's time to go, he should just hang it up because he lost a close decision to an undefeated fighter.

He stays in fights with good fighters doing
nothing to win. He clinches and tries to counter.
Did you watch the last 5 rounds? He is 43.
And is really pretty much a bore now.

Hopkins v. Hopkins:

Round 1-12 no one throws a punch and they hug.
Kinda like a threesome between Morton, Moss, and
Premature Smoldering.

[Late Fires]

Originally Posted by pgardn

He stays in fights with good fighters doing
nothing to win. He clinches and tries to counter.
Did you watch the last 5 rounds? He is 43.
And is really pretty much a bore now.

Hopkins v. Hopkins:

Round 1-12 no one throws a punch and they hug.
Kinda like a threesome between Morton, Moss, and
Premature Smoldering.

Yeah, I watched all 12 rounds of this fight, where he lost a close split decision to one of the best fighters in the world, and his two previous fights, the ones where he beat a guy who was considered one of the top ten pound for pound fighters in the world, and dominated the top fighter in a new weight class for him at the time. So, considering the results, I'd say he's doing something to win.

I find it interesting to watch him use his experience, toughness and smarts to find ways to win at age 43. And I respect the fact that he's still in great shape physically and mentally, and would never tell him to hang it up, even on a horsey board.

Of course, I'm no expert, like say a teacher from Texas or something.

And
I
have
nothing
to
say
about
your
latest
awful
attempt
at
humor
except

.

Originally Posted by Late Fires

I find it interesting to watch him use his experience, toughness and smarts to find ways to win at age 43. And I respect the fact that he's still in great shape physically and mentally, and would never tell him to hang it up, even on a horsey board.

Ok now.
I can accept this.
He is definitely in very good shape
and he is very smart.

But he was the best at one time.

He is a businessman now imho.
He is not willing to actually try and
win these big fights imo.

But that is my problem. I should just
refuse to watch anymore of his fights.
Which I will now attempt. Even if he
fights another guy like Joe C. who is fun
to watch.

As far as sense of humor...
Pat yourself on the back.
You guys are great. The Peegarden
never gets old.
And since apparently teaching in Texas
is apparently an affront to any sensibility
what is your profession (since you are
nothing like it)?